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Sir_Humphrey
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/18/north-korean-executed-currency-reform
I guess Kim Jong-Il is even more ronery now.
I guess Kim Jong-Il is even more ronery now.
Politics is not the art of the possible. It consists of choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable. J. K. Galbraith
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Sir_Humphrey wrote: »http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/18/north-korean-executed-currency-reform
I guess Kim Jong-Il is even more ronery now.
Sad to say but I fear that the only way to resolve the problem is to stop the aid and let the army deal with the Government.
Hopefully then you can deal with pragmatists rather than ideologues who seem happy to see a large proportion of their fellow countrymen starve.
Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim...I find it odd that International Socialism isn't villified in the same way that National Socialism is. Perhaps it's just me but
I can't think of a single capitalist country deliberately creating a famine for ideological reasons.0 -
Sad to say but I fear that the only way to resolve the problem is to stop the aid and let the army deal with the Government.
Hopefully then you can deal with pragmatists rather than ideologues who seem happy to see a large proportion of their fellow countrymen starve.
Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim...I find it odd that International Socialism isn't villified in the same way that National Socialism is. Perhaps it's just me but
I can't think of a single capitalist country deliberately creating a famine for ideological reasons.
Arguably some of the stuff which occurred in south america (pinochet, chile, bolivia) lead to starvation & worse for many of the population, & that was in the name of capitalism/free markets, & worse, was actively sponsored & encouraged by the US.It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
hmm - but Chile thus developed in to a first world country with first world infant mortality rates - compare that to the death rates in the more populist / socialist south american countries. Not saying it was right but just that it has probably saved more lives than it cost.I think....0
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Sir_Humphrey wrote: »http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/18/north-korean-executed-currency-reform
I guess Kim Jong-Il is even more ronery now.
Perhaps we should send in "Hans Brix"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b49Iwfp8U-U0 -
lemonjelly wrote: »Arguably some of the stuff which occurred in south america (pinochet, chile, bolivia) lead to starvation & worse for many of the population, & that was in the name of capitalism/free markets, & worse, was actively sponsored & encouraged by the US.
Those guys did some pretty horrible things and are rightly villified. People rarely openly claim to be proud Nazis. People regularly talk about how great Communism is 'in theory'.0 -
lemonjelly wrote: »Arguably some of the stuff which occurred in south america (pinochet, chile, bolivia) lead to starvation & worse for many of the population, & that was in the name of capitalism/free markets, & worse, was actively sponsored & encouraged by the US.
Chile, was that some kind of US capitalist Chicago boy experiment? I think Maggie had a little bit of a thing for Pinochet and his privatizations, a bit weird for a fascist state, must have been the most Libertarian economy in the history of fascists states :eek:'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Those guys did some pretty horrible things and are rightly villified. People rarely openly claim to be proud Nazis. People regularly talk about how great Communism is 'in theory'.
Well is great in theory that is why essences of it still persist in certain economies, dare I say one or two who have high GDP growth rates like The Peoples Republic of China
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
hmm - but Chile thus developed in to a first world country with first world infant mortality rates - compare that to the death rates in the more populist / socialist south american countries. Not saying it was right but just that it has probably saved more lives than it cost.
Took well over 20 years to acheive though, & the point I'm trying to make is, is the cost justified? Does the end justify the means?Those guys did some pretty horrible things and are rightly villified. People rarely openly claim to be proud Nazis. People regularly talk about how great Communism is 'in theory'.
Don't disagree with you at all Gen. I have equal beef with communists as I do free marketeers/chicago school zealots...
It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
lemonjelly wrote: »Don't disagree with you at all Gen. I have equal beef with communists as I do free marketeers/chicago school zealots...
I hope you're not talking about me my citrony gelatinous friend!Well is great in theory that is why essences of it still persist in certain economies, dare I say one or two who have high GDP growth rates like The Peoples Republic of China
China is still run by the Chinese Communist Party. I think they describe the economic system as something other than Communist although I might be getting confused.0 -
I hope you're not talking about me my citrony gelatinous friend!
Not a chance Gen! You strike me as a principled free marketeer, with certain scruples.
I believe that we may disagree sometimes on philosophical grounds, but maintain healthy respect for one another
But you probably hate my football team;)It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0
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