Top GPs earning over £300,000 - The Times

abaxas

Castleman wrote: »

If people have such issues about doctors pay, not being good enough, not speaking english then just become a doctor yourself if it's that easy.

Wait for all the excuses...which can be summed up as "I'm too lazy" or "I'm too busy spouting crap from the sidelines".

Since I have no know psycological problems, I can never become a doctor.

moggylover

lostinrates wrote: »

while this is very poor for a doctor in UK, its still as skilled a job in another language. MAybe the question should be why we can't fill skilled professions sufficiently from English speakers?? A friend of mine is planning emmigration having qualified as a GP...quality of life v income is, for him better elsewhere. At a cost to the UK taxpayer for his university education.

That bit has ALWAYS annoyed me! I have nothing but respect for those that come from really poor countries, study hard and then return to those poor countries to improve the lot there: these people have my undying admiration! However, those that get their qualifications here and then clear off somewhere else where the pickings are greater make my blood boil:mad:

Should be a minimum requirement of 10 years working for the NHS to pay off the debt they owe for their qualifications and not allowed to leave the Country until then unless they pay up in cash!

That goes for ALL the professions, and all those that have learned a skill that the tax-payer has assisted them with by subsidising the costs.

chucky

lostinrates wrote: »

while this is very poor for a doctor in UK, its still as skilled a job in another language. MAybe the question should be why we can't fill skilled professions sufficiently from English speakers?? A friend of mine is planning emmigration having qualified as a GP...quality of life v income is, for him better elsewhere. At a cost to the UK taxpayer for his university education.

the last time i went to my GP surgery was about 6 months ago - mewbie, no it wasn't a rash!!!

the doctor that saw me was Eastern European (not a problem), her English was ok but not perfect but was good so she had been educated/trained abroad. the whole visit went fine with no complaints from me.

what worried me was that why was there a foreign educated/trained doctor in a doctors surgery in London. aren't there English doctors as good as doctors that are trained abroad? or is it that foreign doctors seem to want to do the job more.

lostinrates

moggylover wrote: »

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That bit has ALWAYS annoyed me! I have nothing but respect for those that come from really poor countries, study hard and then return to those poor countries to improve the lot there: these people have my undying admiration! However, those that get their qualifications here and then clear off somewhere else where the pickings are greater make my blood boil:mad:

Should be a minimum requirement of 10 years working for the NHS to pay off the debt they owe for their qualifications and not allowed to leave the Country until then unless they pay up in cash!

That goes for ALL the professions, and all those that have learned a skill that the tax-payer has assisted them with by subsidising the costs.

I agree, but what about..e.g. parents who decide to be sahp: a vital job, but one that is dne brilliantly by non graduates as well as graduates, what about people who don't work to their maximum capacity...having loads of time off because they can make what they need to get by in 6-9 months o the year? what about people who work in a field for a couple of years and then realise its just not for them.....or people who simply don't put the effort into their education at school and later university (or not) and don't make of themselves what they could....whether financially or otherwise. There are a thousand ways to take from society...I'm not sure all are heinous...I haven't really thought about it much:o

nb, the state was spared the cost of all his primary and secondary education....we forget how much that costs (not that its not invaluable, just I think we treat it casually and forget how lucky we are to have free education, the cost is not negligible and it does, IMO-today anyway-, really benefit even those who don't use it.)

ruggedtoast

I was wondering where I recognise that name and realised he was nominally my GP when I lived in Greenwich. Dont think I was ever seen by him.

The practice had a few good GPs, as long as you could get your point across in the 3 - 6 minutes you get from an nhs consult the care was usually ok.

I struggle to understand how anyone in a GP surgery can be earning that much though.

StevieJ

lostinrates wrote: »

My current GP is worth £300k but probably gets a lot, a lot less, in a rural practice.

I was shabbily, shabbily treated by NHS years ago, and with trepidation joined the current practice, but my GP has been remarkable; going beyond the call of duty not just for me, but to my knowledge, for other people with longterm ill health. (she herself was ill last year and called regularly to check her ''sick list'' of longtermers under others care.

The problem here is that she is so remarkable. I don't see one can oblige people to go beyond the call of duty, in the very nature of contracts and duty!

You are lucky.

kabayiri

It's difficult to criticise GPs as a collective.

The government tried to force their hand over the Out Of Hours deal; they made the wrong call; and they got the poor end of the deal.

I think we should question the government wage negotiators if they earn any more than £12.50 pa.

moggylover

lostinrates wrote: »

I agree, but what about..e.g. parents who decide to be sahp: a vital job, but one that is dne brilliantly by non graduates as well as graduates, what about people who don't work to their maximum capacity...having loads of time off because they can make what they need to get by in 6-9 months o the year? what about people who work in a field for a couple of years and then realise its just not for them.....or people who simply don't put the effort into their education at school and later university (or not) and don't make of themselves what they could....whether financially or otherwise. There are a thousand ways to take from society...I'm not sure all are heinous...I haven't really thought about it much:o

nb, the state was spared the cost of all his primary and secondary education....we forget how much that costs (not that its not invaluable, just I think we treat it casually and forget how lucky we are to have free education, the cost is not negligible and it does, IMO-today anyway-, really benefit even those who don't use it.)

I was talking more about those that go on to Uni, because that is very much cheaper here than in many Countries, and the qualifications one gets here are often considered better ones than those gained abroad.

I understand your points: but I think it is those that promptly just up and go off somewhere without ever actually putting anything back in that I am annoyed by. Hardly anyone is going to become a SAHM straight out of Uni these days, and even then may well go back to work later on and even if someone is only working a few hours a week, if they are making enough to live comfortably then they are no doubt paying tax.

I kind of agree about our "free" education, but I think we only take it for granted because we led the World in offering it. I would not begrudge any child getting that basic education and then going somewhere else because it is there for everyone that wants it. University places are not available to everyone, and those that get them should consider themselves honour bound to put something real back because the courses would cost far more without tax-payer subsidy.

nembot

A good friend of mine worked bloody hard for eight years to get his PHD, since then he's studied further to get a position in a local practice. He's a thoroughly decent bloke and it was hard watching him struggle throughout his studies. We'd buy, fix and sell cars, putting far too more time into them just to make a little cash. To me that was a few drinks or a treat, to him it was food on the table.

So in my opinion at least, he deserves everything he gets.

He does openly admit there are a few GP's who are so far behind the times, they would struggle diagnosing anything that's been revised in the last 20 years. Unfortunately it seems, it's some of these people who are raking in the cash.

He earns around 90k for a three day week, which is well over twice what I make, but when you put it into context. If I made a mistake it'd stop production to a single Country or all of Europe worst case scenario.

People would be !!!!!! and money would be lost.

But the only thing that would die... is my future with the company.