Age 7 government child trust fund payments not being released!!!

ultrawomble

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

There are just some people in life who think the 'state' ie. everybody else should provide for them from cradle to grave and others who think you should make your own way in the world.

By extension that could also include the NHS and state pension. Perhaps we should deny people a free health service and abolish the state pension? After all, pensioners have had enough time to prepare for their old age - surely it's their fault if they haven't? Be careful of what you wish for since it might come true.

dazza.mk

Deepmistrust wrote: »

I'm not convinced importing cheap foreign goods, and telling poor people to buy them, is actually the answer in the bigger picture, to be honest.

So how do you define your 'cheap foreign goods', go home and throw out everything 'Made in China' and you'll probably end up reading a book by candlenight naked!

seven-day-weekend

ultrawomble wrote: »

By extension that could also include the NHS and state pension. Perhaps we should deny people a free health service and abolish the state pension? After all, pensioners have had enough time to prepare for their old age - surely it's their fault if they haven't? Be careful of what you wish for since it might come true.

I have paid into both these things all my life and am now, since February 1st 2010, a very grateful recipient of State Pension.

Perhaps I should now practice pleading poverty and bemoaning the fact that the Government do not buy my food for me, pay my bills, furnish my house nor provide me with the £1400 I have just had to fork out for the car.

Both my husband and I have worked and paid into the system for a total of over 75 years between us. I personally have never claimed any State benefit except the universal Child Benefit. My husband has claimed a reduced amount of Incapacity benefit since 2004, other than that he has had no State Benefits.

I agre with people claiming Benefits they are entitled to; however I think some of the Benefits themselves, such as the ones under discussion, are targetted wrongly and the money should be spent elsewhere.

(I've just realised that this is on the Benefits Board, as it is a discussion it should be in Discussion Time - could a Board Guide move it please?)

MissMoneypenny

ultrawomble wrote: »

By extension that could also include the NHS and state pension. Perhaps we should deny people a free health service and abolish the state pension? After all, pensioners have had enough time to prepare for their old age - surely it's their fault if they haven't? Be careful of what you wish for since it might come true.

Spending on NHS is ringfenced.

Those pensioners that have prepared for their old age, worked to pay for their own children and now find the taxes on their pensions are being used to pay for other peoples children.

With the Labour backbencher Frank Fields MP now helping the government, its going to get interesting to see what new (Brown) benefits are cut. Frank Fields very much old Labour, believes everyone has the right to work, didn't get on with Brown and believed he had created a benefit trap.

POPPYOSCAR

ultrawomble wrote: »

By extension that could also include the NHS and state pension. Perhaps we should deny people a free health service and abolish the state pension? After all, pensioners have had enough time to prepare for their old age - surely it's their fault if they haven't? Be careful of what you wish for since it might come true.

Why do you have to take it always to the extreme?Having a free NHS and state pension is not providing for people, this is support for people, there is a big difference. And what exactly is it that I have wished for?

dazza.mk

ultrawomble wrote: »

By extension that could also include the NHS and state pension. Perhaps we should deny people a free health service and abolish the state pension? After all, pensioners have had enough time to prepare for their old age - surely it's their fault if they haven't? Be careful of what you wish for since it might come true.

And by your definition they'd then get rid of National Insurance that 'theoretically' you are paying for your future use of such services?

MissMoneypenny

Deepmistrust wrote: »

I think inflation has always been calculated this way. I don't think labour are any different in this respect.

Gordon Brown removed housing costs from RPI in 2003.

ultrawomble

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

Why do you have to take it always to the extreme?Having a free NHS and state pension is not providing for people, this is support for people, there is a big difference. And what exactly is it that I have wished for?

I take the extreme because it always starts at the thin end of the wedge. Once you start to remove a universal benefit the precedent has been set. The 'wishing for' is a turn of phrase. As you say, some people believe that they should make their own way in the world - fine if it works out, but what if it doesn't? What happens if there is no safety net? Finally, I would argue that the NHS and state pension are a provision for a great many of the population rather than a support. Without them they have nothing.

ultrawomble

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Spending on NHS is ringfenced.

Those pensioners that have prepared for their old age, worked to pay for their own children and now find the taxes on their pensions are being used to pay for other peoples children.

With the Labour backbencher Frank Fields MP now helping the government, its going to get interesting to see what new (Brown) benefits are cut. Frank Fields very much old Labour, believes everyone has the right to work, didn't get on with Brown and believed he had created a benefit trap.

Read what I wrote in its context and it alludes to the fact that some people would prefer to make their own way in life - that may include that they believe that the NHS and state pension are superfluous.

ultrawomble

dazza.mk wrote: »

And by your definition they'd then get rid of National Insurance that 'theoretically' you are paying for your future use of such services?

Exactly so. In its context and it alludes to the fact that some people would prefer to make their own way in life - that may include that they believe that the NHS and state pension are superfluous.