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Benefits and the deficit: what would you cut?

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  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    Howcome more people are disabled in Glasgow than nearly the rest of the country for example. It doesn't make sense. Not those large differences in percentages anyway.

    Probably a result of the Glasgow kiss :eek:
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • chewmylegoff
    chewmylegoff Posts: 11,469 Forumite
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    StevieJ wrote: »
    Probably a result of the Glasgow kiss :eek:

    that and the fact that their diet of deep fried pizza results in them being incapacitated due to their obesity and clogged arteries. not to mention the alcohol abuse...
  • StevieJ
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    that and the fact that their diet of deep fried pizza results in them being incapacitated due to their obesity and clogged arteries.
    not to mention the alcohol abuse...

    Don't suppose this would helpicon7.gif Deep fried Mars bar:eek:


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    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Ahh good old statistics, just as the unemployed fell under Labour but the incapacitated exploded. Statistics are easily manipulated to tell us the story we all want to hear everybody knows that. Lets look at the evidence instead, where is the money now? Why do we have a 2 trillion shortfall on our pensions, why were we still borrowing and selling off 50% of our gold reserves during a time that was supposed to be our economic boom.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article1654931.ece

    Why are we in more debt now than we have been in many many years?

    The labour party are not exactly renowned for their honesty now are they but you poor souls seem to be suckered in by their lies anyway. The reality is Labour borrowed when they should have been saving to fund an NHS that has been very wasteful due to labours target policy. We have all been sold a kipper and the sooner people realise that the better.

    Unemployment rose under Thatcher and so did incapacity

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    Under 500k at the end of 1978 to about 1.8 million at the end of 1996 - yes, incapacity has increased during labour's time in office, but the real explosion happened under tory rule.
  • StevieJ
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    Looks like Labour have done a good job there, the country couldn't have afforded those rises under the Tories to continue :eek:
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Just as an aside, has anyone noticed how unemployment under what ever guise has ceased to be a real political issue?

    Yes, there is a bit of sabre rattling about numbers incapacity claimants - but in reality can anyone see this changing, regardless of who our leaders are?

    We have moved from a society that looked to full employment as a goal (up until the early 1980s) to the type of society we have now - where unemployment is an accepted state of affairs.

    And the fact we have millions of people not working and only half a million jobs to go round - does this mean "there is no alternative"?
  • StevieJ
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    Up until recently it was assumed we had relatively full employment, in fact it appeared that the situation where you couldn't have full employment and low inflation had been changed for ever. It looks that maybe the high unemployment was still there but under a different guise.
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • chucky
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    Just as an aside, has anyone noticed how unemployment under what ever guise has ceased to be a real political issue?

    Yes, there is a bit of sabre rattling about numbers incapacity claimants - but in reality can anyone see this changing, regardless of who our leaders are?

    We have moved from a society that looked to full employment as a goal (up until the early 1980s) to the type of society we have now - where unemployment is an accepted state of affairs.

    And the fact we have millions of people not working and only half a million jobs to go round - does this mean "there is no alternative"?
    i've noticed it - many on here don't realise how lucky we have been with regards to the number of people unemployed due to the recession. i say that with total respect for those that have been affected.

    pre-recession we had 1.6 million unemployed and we have now under 2.5 million - that's around 900,000 people that have been made unemployed due to the worst recession since the war.

    compare it to the 1980s or 1990s - it's laughable sometimes to see the types of people that point it out
  • Kohoutek
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    chucky wrote: »
    e have now under 2.5 million - that's around 900,000 people that have been made unemployed due to the worst recession since the war.

    compare it to the 1980s or 1990s - it's laughable sometimes to see the types of people that point it out

    And what do you think will happen to unemployment levels when the government raises taxes, hurting the private sector economy, and lays off public sector workers, to close the deficit?

    In the absence of a miracle, unemployment will increase when the deficit spending fantasy ends and the age of austerity begins.

    Please don't fall for Brown's 'ending boom and bust' line.
  • chucky
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    Kohoutek wrote: »
    And what do you think will happen to unemployment levels when the government raises taxes, hurting the private sector economy, and lays off public sector workers, to close the deficit?

    In the absence of a miracle, unemployment will increase when the deficit spending fantasy ends and the age of austerity begins.

    Please don't fall for Brown's 'ending boom and bust' line.
    so my point is wrong then or did you deliberately avoid agreeing with it?

    do you really think that any government that comes in will look to make all of these massive cuts and raise taxes so high that you're hoping/wishing for to deliberately hurt the public and private sector so that the economy goes back into recession.

    please don't fall for the tin foil hat line.
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