Up to 2,000 jobs going at Birmingham City Council

Andy_L

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Do you have any statistical evidence for that statement or is it just an empirical view?

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/elmr/05_07/downloads/ELMR_0507Millard_Machin.pdf

32.4% of Public sector have degrees against 19.2% in the private sector.

Come now, you should know better than to call me on statistics :-)

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The_White_Horse

Andy_L wrote: »

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/elmr/05_07/downloads/ELMR_0507Millard_Machin.pdf

32.4% of Public sector have degrees against 19.2% in the private sector.

Come now, you should know better than to call me on statistics :-)

just goes to show that it is right to make sweeping cuts in higher education.

where do you think people with a first class degree in David Beckham studies ends up working, other than the public sector??

out of all the degrees issued each year most of them are garbage and not worth the paper they are written on. this is where the 32.4% come from.

doire_2

The_White_Horse wrote: »

just goes to show that it is right to make sweeping cuts in higher education.

where do you think people with a first class degree in David Beckham studies ends up working, other than the public sector??

out of all the degrees issued each year most of them are garbage and not worth the paper they are written on. this is where the 32.4% come from.

:rotfl::rotfl:

lemonjelly

The_White_Horse wrote: »

just goes to show that it is right to make sweeping cuts in higher education.

where do you think people with a first class degree in David Beckham studies ends up working, other than the public sector??

out of all the degrees issued each year most of them are garbage and not worth the paper they are written on. this is where the 32.4% come from.

For a person complaining about dead wood in the public sector, you do a helluva lot of posting in work time don't you?

Shouldn't you be working? You've taxes to pay! Don't wanna get copped by your boss now doing non-work stuff! Might be found out to be dead wood & out on your ear!

Then you'd have the pleasure of meeting a great number of public sector workers!:)

Might make you grateful for some of them then...

Old_Slaphead

Andy_L wrote: »

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/elmr/05_07/downloads/ELMR_0507Millard_Machin.pdf

32.4% of Public sector have degrees against 19.2% in the private sector.

Come now, you should know better than to call me on statistics :-)

That's a fairly crude analogy of "better qualified" though isn't it.

What about all the professional qualifications that are more pertinent to the private sector ie solicitors, accountants, engineers, electricians, architects, dentists, IT workers, even bankers etc some of which, a decade or two ago, didn't require degrees as entry point.

Also the fact that the only job creation for the past decade has been the public sector has meant that those with degrees have had no choice but to work in teaching, civil service, local authorities - even if their qualification is totally irrelevant to their job (ie I have a relative with a MA in History working as a Tax Officer)

To me, someone who left school at 16 or 18 and has 2 or 3 years sound and relevant work experience is much better qualified in most respects than someone who comes out of tech college (ooops sorry, university) with a 3rd in golf course management. In many respects lower grade degrees are little more than college attendance marks. Your statistics would imply otherwise.

I think only on the basis of the percentage of employees able to hold up a certificate with the word 'degree' on it is your statement accurate - on most other criteria I would question whether your observation and indeed the statistics are the basis of a fair comparison of "better qualified".

lemonjelly

When you graduate & apply for jobs, you'll be knocked back to the "lack of experience" arguement.

If you don't have formal qualifications, but do have the experience, you risk being told you don't have the correct qualifications.

The most intelligent/best qualified, arguably have the experience & formal qualifications.

I've worked in public & private sector. There are idiots, underacheivers, overacheivers, lead-swingers & very driven people in both.

I think this is an arguement some are too extreme in their views to find any common ground.

Pennywise

Andy_L wrote: »

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/elmr/05_07/downloads/ELMR_0507Millard_Machin.pdf

32.4% of Public sector have degrees against 19.2% in the private sector.

Come now, you should know better than to call me on statistics :-)

Can we have those same statistics for "relevant" degrees please?

When I last recruited someone to work for me in an accounts office, I chose someone with an A level in accounting as opposed to someone with a degree in history. That person is now a qualified accountant - so they won't appear in your quoted figures but the chartered accountancy qualifiaction stands higher than a degree. I wonder how many people have "professional" qualifications but no degrees. I don't have a degree either. Whenever I recruit, I always look for relevant qualifications and/or experience - I don't think the public sector work in the same way. My neighbour's daughter went to Uni and got a degree in religious studies - she hadn't a clue what career she wanted - no, almost inevitably, she's a primary school teacher, not even in a church school, so her degree is pretty much irrelevant.

Old_Slaphead

lemonjelly wrote: »

I think this is an arguement some are too extreme in their views to find any common ground.

If we all agree on everything then there's not much point in these discussion forums is there?

The idea of arguing differing points of view surely is that we all get a more rounded view of the subject (omitting the trolls perspective of course)

Pennywise

Andy_L wrote: »

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/elmr/05_07/downloads/ELMR_0507Millard_Machin.pdf

32.4% of Public sector have degrees against 19.2% in the private sector.

Come now, you should know better than to call me on statistics :-)

To use the same argument trotted out earlier in thread (although I don't actually beleive its' relevance, clearly some do!), those figures aren't surprising because the public sector has hived off its lower paid workers to the private sector! Touche!

lemonjelly

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

If we all agree on everything then there's not much point in these discussion forums is there?

The idea of arguing differing points of view surely is that we all get a more rounded view of the subject (omitting the trolls perspective of course)

I agree. The purpose of an arguement/debate is surely to move closer towards the truth.

The point I'm making moreso, is that some are too entrenched in their views that such movement isn't going to happen.

The second point, is that neither pure qualification (theory only) nor pure experience (practical only) are going to be sufficient in this debate.