Weezl's phase 1- recipe testing and frugalisation- come one, come all!

weezl74

homegrown_life wrote: »

from this website. Shall keep googling. I do love googling

please do! Especially if you can give us a definitive answer on how much calcium is still available to the body.

Sorry fire fox, you prob already know that, I know you have a degree in this. I hope this discussion isn't annoying you :)

Fire_Fox

weezl74 wrote: »

please do! Especially if you can give us a definitive answer on how much calcium is still available to the body.

Sorry fire fox, you prob already know that, I know you have a degree in this. I hope this discussion isn't annoying you :)

My qualifications at degree level are in physical activity (including nutrition modules), microbiology and cell/ molecular biology (genetics)! We didn't learn anywhere near sufficient for advising vegetarians or vegans. Homegrown life is coming up with stuff I had either forgotten or didn't know in the first place! :T

I think we could contemplate the eggshell method with vegetarian family as I think veggies are more aware of nutrition and perhaps more adventurous? It would be educational for the children too (I imagine them as younger than Bob and Shirleys!).

ceridwen

'Tis all attention to detail:)

I cannae do the "technical" bits myself - but I'm sorta thinking I could do another form of "attention to detail" at the end of this all - I could check through all our final version recipes if you like for the sorta stuff I spot eg:
- are oven temperatures in both gas and electric
- any typos
- everything clearly put
- etc

Thats the sorta stuff I CAN do:D

...and maybe even my personal little thing about having ingredients listed in the order in which the cook uses them (thats one that sometimes happens/sometimes not in cookbooks I find....and it helps with that Faff Factor/mindspace I find to be able to just "tick them off the list" mentally-speaking as one uses them (instead of ducking and diving to and fro as one cooks - wondering if you've used everything listed yet).???

Yer administrative-type detail in other words is what I could do come the end if wanted:)

homegrown_life

Caffeine:
Caffeine has a small effect on calcium absorption. It can temporarily increase calcium excretion and may modestly decrease calcium absorption, an effect easily offset by increasing calcium consumption in the diet. One cup of regular brewed coffee causes a loss of only 2-3 mg of calcium easily offset by adding a tablespoon of milk. Moderate caffeine consumption, (1 cup of coffee or 2 cups of tea per day), in young women who have adequate calcium intakes has little to no negative effects on their bones.

from here

If I find anything else I'll add it here.

Tea leaves are also high in oxyalic acid, though fortunately for tea drinkers, the beverage itself doesn't have much in it because not a lot of tea leaves are used in the process.

from here

also a pdf file here

oldMcDonald

ceridwen wrote: »

Dont know about anyone else - but I'd be interested to know how that would be. I'm thinking I'll probably do the carrot cake again - without any of my choice of sweetening (ie honey) and with a bit more dried fruit and was thinking of replacing say half the oil with apple puree (of the unsweetened variety).

Sorry to have taken my time on this, but been far too busy the last few days to do much baking!

I know that this is little to do with the meal plan but thought I would follow this up. I tried the carrot cake with 1/3 oil and 2/3 apple puree and it was lovely. If anything, it was a little sweeter than the original recipe, but that's great as it means less sugar.

One thing that I didn't like about the carrot cake was the amount of fat in it, so I'm very pleased with this lower fat version.

ceridwen

Fire_Fox wrote: »

My qualifications at degree level are in physical activity (including nutrition modules), microbiology and cell/ molecular biology (genetics)! We didn't learn anywhere near sufficient for advising vegetarians or vegans. Homegrown life is coming up with stuff I had either forgotten or didn't know in the first place! :T

I think we could contemplate the eggshell method with vegetarian family as I think veggies are more aware of nutrition and perhaps more adventurous? It would be educational for the children too (I imagine them as younger than Bob and Shirleys!).

Re the eggshell method - I've had another look back through that webpage and it sounds like "not obligatory - but highly advisable" stuff for the eggs to come from freerange chickens in the first place.

Anyways - re veggies being more aware of nutrition - err..probably..

Veggies being more adventurous - definitely. We darn well HAVE to be with huge swathes of standard foods/meals not available to us. I'm certainly well aware that I cant just think of dinner as "meat or fish + potatoes + other veg". Hence my preoccupation with how much "thinking time" I have to give to what I am going to eat. I definitely have to give more "thinking time" to it - thats one of the downsides of being vegetarian. So - to make up for that fact and the dietary restrictions - I personally am well up for trying any different fruit/vegetables/dairy products/grains/nuts/seeds - to cover my nutritional needs and just plain to add back in that bit of variety to my diet I would otherwise lose.

So - I certainly find that I usually have a much better idea than meat-eaters of what some unusual food is and what to do with it:)

Hmmm...speaking of which...eating dinner as we "speak" and that carrot cake version 2 is sitting down there cooling down - so maybes a leetle slice in a minute to see what I think...

Puddleglum

phew! Made it! Races in......

I know that other people have already said this, and I don't realistically know how it can be accomodated, although there must be a way or the human race would have died off from lack of food a long time ago - we have been through some very lean times in the past few thousand years.

Growing children tend to grow up, not out, and can get through an incredible amount of food. I would have got to the end of the thread a few minutes earlier only I was pestered by DS and DD asking for yet more food. Dinner may be less than an hour away I said...........arrrgggghhhhh we're starving said they.

Today they have had a good big healthy breakfast each, a super filling lunch and we are going to have h/m pizza and h/m chips done in the oven with bread pudding available to fill up hollow legs. They have also eaten a goodly number of Twink's hobnobs made with 250g of dried mixed fruit as an added ingredient. An apple each, a bag of crisps each and icepops from the freezer. At some point they have had hot chocolate and a cup of tea as well as squash.

They are stick thin. Some of their friends who eat less are fatter! But I suspect that they are fairly representative of children their age(9 + 11).

In order for Shirley to keep her sanity she will need access to some kind of very calorific snack foods and probably plenty of them, or else she will need a big stick to keep her children out of the kitchen!!

Sorry to be negative....I'll fade into the background again.....:o

purpleivy

phizzimum wrote: »

hi homegrown...does it taste like a curry? it sounds a bit like chilli beans so not sure what to expect. oh well, only one way to find out.. think it's going to have to find it's way onto next week's menu!

made weetabix cake this afternoon - about half of it gone already. my girls ate it but didn't love it. their friends asked for a piece but didn't eat all of it - their mum finished it off. think the friends were put off because they knew it had weetabix in it. next time I make it will add some spice and use brown sugar - not so frugalous but bit tastier...also forgot to presoak the fruit a la BOB.

Shirley could soak her fruit in some random alcoholic liqueur that the inlaws brought back from somewhere-or-other as a thank you for her feeding the cat! LOL. Do you think I've been here before? There always seems to be something kicking around that was bought for an occasion (we always seem to have left over Baileys, although this is less of a problem since dd confessed to liking it!). It might bring some of the other recipes to life. OJ or similar could be used or water if none is available.

ceridwen

Puddleglum wrote: »

phew! Made it! Races in......

I know that other people have already said this, and I don't realistically know how it can be accomodated, although there must be a way or the human race would have died off from lack of food a long time ago - we have been through some very lean times in the past few thousand years.

Growing children tend to grow up, not out, and can get through an incredible amount of food. I would have got to the end of the thread a few minutes earlier only I was pestered by DS and DD asking for yet more food. Dinner may be less than an hour away I said...........arrrgggghhhhh we're starving said they.

Today they have had a good big healthy breakfast each, a super filling lunch and we are going to have h/m pizza and h/m chips done in the oven with bread pudding available to fill up hollow legs. They have also eaten a goodly number of Twink's hobnobs made with 250g of dried mixed fruit as an added ingredient. An apple each, a bag of crisps each and icepops from the freezer. At some point they have had hot chocolate and a cup of tea as well as squash.

They are stick thin. Some of their friends who eat less are fatter! But I suspect that they are fairly representative of children their age(9 + 11).

In order for Shirley to keep her sanity she will need access to some kind of very calorific snack foods and probably plenty of them, or else she will need a big stick to keep her children out of the kitchen!!

Sorry to be negative....I'll fade into the background again.....:o

Hmmm....never been in that position myself...but hearing a lot about teenagers with hollow legs.....hmmm...thinks.."filler foods" - teenagers for the use of.....

Thoughts on that front:
- popcorn?
- pancakes?
- interesting ways of doing potatoes (not just yer bog standard mash/chips/roasties/jackets)

Thats the first things that came to mind...

ceridwen

purpleivy wrote: »

Shirley could soak her fruit in some random alcoholic liqueur that the inlaws brought back from somewhere-or-other as a thank you for her feeding the cat! LOL. Do you think I've been here before? There always seems to be something kicking around that was bought for an occasion (we always seem to have left over Baileys, although this is less of a problem since dd confessed to liking it!). It might bring some of the other recipes to life. OJ or similar could be used or water if none is available.

hmmm...thats getting me wondering whether fruit could be soaked in fruit-y type tea?