MSE News: Nationwide: House prices creep up 0.7% in March

Cleaver

PrivatisetheNHSnow wrote: »

Yes you are, because there weren't.

Thanks for that. My next question is why the ONS has two different graphs on their website. Do you have a link to the ONS page where that graph came from?

tanjatucker

Cleaver wrote: »

Thanks for that. My next question is why the ONS has two different graphs on their website. Do you have a link to the ONS page where that graph came from?

sorry to butt in here, but one of you is looking at the rate of public service employees, while the other is quoting actual numbers. The latter is bound to go up as the overall number of people in employment rises, so looking at public sector workers as a proportion of all workers - i.e. percentage rather than numbers - seems to make more sense to me........

Cleaver

tanjatucker wrote: »

sorry to butt in here, but one of you is looking at the rate of public service employees, while the other is quoting actual numbers. The latter is bound to go up as the overall number of people in employment rises, so looking at public sector workers as a proportion of all workers - i.e. percentage rather than numbers - seems to make more sense to me........

Of course, quite obvious now you look at it. Thanks for that. Stats hey? You can show whatever you like with them.

vivatifosi

Cleaver wrote: »

Of course, quite obvious now you look at it. Thanks for that. Stats hey? You can show whatever you like with them.

Then there's the 1 million public sector jobs that have been outsourced to the private sector (apparently)...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/feb/17/outsourcing-boom-as-cuts-bite

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

PhylPho wrote: »

a public sector that, thanks solely to Gordon Brown, has been increased by almost 1 million during ZanuLabour's Socialist regime so that it presently employs one in every five people in work in the UK, then the true state of the housing market will be seen.

Thanks solely to Gordon Brown? Really?

And there was me thinking that Tony Blair was Prime Minister for ten of those years......

And, whilst I agree that the absolute numbers have risen, it turns out that a higher percentage of people were employed in the public sector under the Tories.

23% then versus 20% now.

So whilst it is true that one in five are public sector workers today, under Maggie it was closer to one in four.;)

One in five people in employment in the UK are under financial threat, to lesser or greater degree.

And four in five are not.

Wow...... 80% of people are not under financial threat. Right after the biggest recession in almost a century.

Cracking result.

Posters entertaining the daft delusion that a housing market is somehow blissfully insulated from the very Society within which house sellers and house purchasers actually live are posters hoping for a Buy to Let boom in Cuckoo Land. . .

:rotfl:

Insulated? !!!!!!, we just had the biggest crash in history!!!!!

. . . and so will use any statistic, no matter how counterfeit, to talk things up today .

Ah yes, the old counterfeit stats conspiracy theory.

Alrighty then.:eek:

PhylPho

Hamish:

I note your post as well as its smileys.

I've decided not to respond on the grounds that though it's probably ungracious to contest an argument with the lame, to do so where the other is both lame and blind is downright unforgivable.

Thrugelmir

tanjatucker wrote: »

sorry to butt in here, but one of you is looking at the rate of public service employees, while the other is quoting actual numbers. The latter is bound to go up as the overall number of people in employment rises, so looking at public sector workers as a proportion of all workers - i.e. percentage rather than numbers - seems to make more sense to me........

Why is the latter bound to rise as the overall number of people in employment rises? What purpose do these newly created (past 10 years) jobs fulfill.

For the record an article published in 2003 in the Independent. Seems like the day of reckoning has arrived. As the lack of investment in the private sector is being exposed.

Public Sector Employment rises to 8 year high

The Government is creating new jobs at more than four times the rate of the private sector, according to figures yesterday highlighting the growing influence of the state in Britain's flagging economy.

The Government is creating new jobs at more than four times the rate of the private sector, according to figures yesterday highlighting the growing influence of the state in Britain's flagging economy.
Huge recruitment drives by the NHS, civil service, police and state schools boosted public sector employment by 86,000 to an eight-year high of 5.3 million, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.
It said the increase was "unusually large" given that public sector employment is just a fifth of the private sector. There was a 1.7 per cent increase for the year to June 2002 on the previous 12 months in public sector jobs and follows a 2.3 per cent increase in the previous year. This compared with a 0.4 per cent rise in private sector job creation last year and a fall of 0.1 per cent in the previous year.
In all public sector employment has risen 2 per cent during the last two years, compared to an anaemic 0.16 per cent increase in the private sector.
The ONS said the growth in public sector employment could be even higher as some private sector workers, such as agency nurses, are classed as private even though they are paid by the NHS.
The Conservatives said there was little evidence of an improvement in services despite the creation of 354,000 public-sector jobs since 1998. Michael Howard, the shadow Chancellor, said: "Labour is taxing and spending and failing. Hospital waiting lists are still over a million, violent crime is rising and school truancy rates are up."
He highlighted research by the European Central Bank that found wide variations in the value for money taxpayers get from public services in different countries. The bank said the UK's public sector was as much as 20 per cent more inefficient than those in the US, Japan and Australia - although better than the European average.
"Gordon Brown [the Chancellor] is misspending billions of pounds of taxpayers' money," Mr Howard said. Economists in the City said the reports added to fears the Government was too reliant on its spending plans to keep the economy afloat.
Michael Saunders, an economist at Citigroup, said unemployment would be almost 200,000 higher without the increase in public sector jobs. "The real question is how sustainable it is given the fiscal position," he said.
Several organisations have warned the Chancellor will be forced to find billions of extra pounds because of a shortfall in tax revenue. Mr Saunders said the growth in job creation would come to a halt if the public finance deficit started to run out of control. "We cannot view the public sector as being a sustainable source of jobs growth," he said.
However, the Government has pointed out that Britain's unemployment rate at 5.0 per cent is the lowest of the Group of Seven rich nations. It also says a huge growth in part-time employment, which hit an all-time high in June, shows that Britain's economy is more flexible than it was in the past.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/public-sector-employment-rises-to-eightyear-high-588298.html