University degree not worth as much as touted

Kohoutek

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

We had a very good local comprehensive near us and my children were in the top sets at that school with lawyers and doctors children. Both my children were high rate tax payers in their early 20s with my son coming straight out of university to a 44k job. Without their degrees, my two would not be earning this sort of money at a young age.

In my experience of the top set in a comprehensive, the vast majority that went on to university and acquired well paid jobs were the children of professionals. Unfortunately, children from more modest backgrounds who were just as bright as the children of lawyers and doctors did not go to university or highly paid jobs. Obviously there are exceptions, but without very strong encouragement and backing from parents, the cost of university these days deters many bright children from modest backgrounds from university and achieving their potential.

Kohoutek

fc123 wrote: »

That's not 100% true.

That's why I said 'virtually irrelevant'

fc123

Kohoutek wrote: »

Sure, I think most parents would send their children to the private sector if they could afford it, but the children of rich people aren't necessarily the most intelligent people. The problems with the state system distort our universities and job market to make it look like privately educated children are the most intelligent and able, but although many are intelligent, in general they are just the best prepared.

That's not 100% true either.
In fact, I strongly disagree......later, during my permitted MSE posting time; 2 hour slot, I am happy to expand on my view.

Not now as I am not meant to be writing at the moment:o......I had a weak moment and popped over. Fatal.

donaldtramp

I'm not sure I would agree! It would rather depend on what one wants to do in the future. My son wants to be a sports teacher or rugby coach (OK, truth is he wants to be a pro rugby player first and foremost but the others are very sensible plan B's:D for a young lad who already plays district level and is being referred to the Scarlets Accademy:o).

Firstly good luck to your lad! I know a good few guys out of everyone I've met who were to become professional football or rugby players is huge. None of them made it. It aint easy.

For those seeing it as a soft option I think they are in for a very big surprise (as some of DS friends were) when studied as a GCSE subject. I know that the son of a friend of ours who went on to study at UWIC (apparently the very best sports degree course in the UK) found it a tough course, but felt it was worth it because he knows he can (and has) got employment in the sports field on the back of this.

It would only be hard if you were thick I'm afraid. If you want difficulty try, Engineering, Chemistry, Physics, Medicine or Dentistry.
As for needing 18 straight As(or whatever) to get into sports science/arts and the likes. Give me a break. Most folk doing these courses are thick, without Labour's tertiary education revolution with all it's targets, creating thousands of places on nonsensical new degrees and lowering of education/exam standards they wouldn't have been allowed through the front door at old, proper unis.
GCSEs and Highers and A levels are so devalued these days they almost aren't worth paying attention to.

But we're all "equal" in Labour's new socialist state. There can be no failures and everyone must go to university. Even if they spend 4 years picking their nose to come out with degree certificates that true academics wouldn't wipe their backsides with.

StevieJ

donaldtramp wrote: »

Maybe not an arts degree but definately a Mickey Mouse degree.

Isn't that media studies?

StevieJ

donaldtramp wrote: »

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Not Universities in my eyes, in name only, and bringing down the name of education as a whole in the process.
If someone came to me asking for a job brandishing a toilet paper degree certificate, they'd get shown the door.

Even if they were obviously cut out for the job? or are you just letting off steam again

Really2

lostinrates wrote: »

FWIW both my nieces and most kids I've read to remembered stories quickly too, especially if well read/told, ..so it might not be over indicative but good to have a heads up....:)

I think my general worry is his memory is virtually photographic. I just hope that does not mean what I am fairly sure it does mean.
I may be just being a overly proud first time dad but what he does is far to familiar (eg even down to being ambidextrous) but I am glad his nursery have spotted it and allowing him to learn and play with the older children.

I am sure it all evens out in the future but at the moment we are keeping one eye on it.

fc123

Really2 wrote: »

I think my general worry is his memory is virtually photographic. I just hope that does not mean what I am fairly sure it does mean.
I may be just being a overly proud first time dad but what he does is far to familiar (eg even down to being ambidextrous) but I am glad his nursery have spotted it and allowing him to learn and play with the older children.

I am sure it all evens out in the future but at the moment we are keeping one eye on it.

What does it mean?...I have a photographic memory..it's dead handy sometimes...esp for my work.

I am not dyslexic with letters....but numbers are something else..I swap them around all the time and have to triple check any math I do. Even writing down telephone numbers..it's such a PITA but I always triple check and change it. Say to me 1024..I will write down 1204....even if I say it aloud whilst writing. I have finally got used to it and it's not too much of a hassle nowadays.
Adding up numbers in the head....easy, no probs. I think I had a mix up on the genes.

Really2

fc123 wrote: »

What does it mean?...I have a photographic memory..it's dead handy sometimes...esp for my work.

I am not dyslexic with letters.

I am with letters but a wiz with number(the other difference between boys and girls:)

You think with the memory you should remember things which are so obviously wrong. But yet we make the same mistakes time and time again.

OT but did anyone see The Terry Pratchett thing the other day, it was good and so sad also.
The only reason I thought of that was he is now having to train his brain, he was on about tea cups and how he can see them but his brain no longer recognises them.
I hope they can slow it down for him he is a modern day genius. (sorry just realise that makes me sound like I have alzheimers,Ii don't it was just the seeing thing but not seeing things made me think. I am sure that is something dyslexics can relate to.)

lostinrates

Really2 wrote: »

I am with letters but a wiz with number(the other difference between boys and girls:)

You think with the memory you should remember things which are so obviously wrong. But yet we make the same mistakes time and time again.

OT but did anyone see The Terry Pratchett thing the other day, it was good and so sad also.
The only reason I thought of that was he is now having to train his brain, he was on about tea cups and how he can see them but his brain no longer recognises them.
I hope they can slow it down for him he is a modern day genius.

I didn't, but that was what it was like for me relearning language. Somewhere I still had the words, but I had to learn to find them, apply them to the objects, which I also knew what they were, and then actually get that to the mouth. I struggle when put on the spot. I get sounds confused. Believe it or not lost in rates sounded remarkably like, almost identical to lost in space , which is why I chose it...it now, but the ''a'' sound was prevalent for me, and with the ''s'' sound being there too. I have English back...I grope for words..but I cope pretty well...don't you think...despite the spelling things. I used to be bilingual though and I no longer am. I'm in a bit of a stew about trying to cope at all in French actually....I'll either cope a bit or I won't....:o brains are so amazing...I really recommend never breaking one...