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Less than minimum wage?
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All this fuss over 20p an hour.
It's simple. If you don't want to work for that rate, turn it down. There will be plenty of people prepared to accept it.
Meanwhile, you can go back to sign on.
That's really not the point. It seems like this recession has brought about some stinking attitudes to employment practice. Paying less than NMW is not acceptable, no matter how many people "would do it", and it's of course illegal.
20p an hour = £8 per week. No decent employer would quibble over that.
Anyway, it looks like OP's OH might be getting NMW, due to this paid lunch scenario. If that's the case, though, it's quite bizarre to advertise a job at less than NMW...why not advertise the proper hourly rate, and make lunches unpaid?£1 / 50p 2011 holiday flight + hotel expenses = £98.50/£600
HSBC 8% 12mth regular savings = £80 out of a maximum remaining allowance of £2500
"3 months' salary" reserve = £00 / £3600 :eek:0 -
All this fuss over 20p an hour.
It's simple. If you don't want to work for that rate, turn it down. There will be plenty of people prepared to accept it.
Meanwhile, you can go back to sign on.
That's the problem though, if it is below NMW than the company is just taking the p*** because they know people are desperate for work!0 -
That's the problem though, if it is below NMW than the company is just taking the p*** because they know people are desperate for work!
yes yes yes . . . that's all very well and good.
The alternative, of course, is that the company can decide it's not worth paying extra money for the role and not hire anybody, thus helping nobody off the dole.
Anyway, there is an elephant in the room that nobody dares to point out.
Anyone aged 44 who is in the market for jobs at NWM needs to take a good long hard look at themselves.0 -
yes yes yes . . . that's all very well and good.
The alternative, of course, is that the company can decide it's not worth paying extra money for the role and not hire anybody, thus helping nobody off the dole.
Anyway, there is an elephant in the room that nobody dares to point out.
Anyone aged 44 who is in the market for jobs at NWM needs to take a good long hard look at themselves.
Was that last sentence really necessary? It's completely irrelevant to the question asked and what's the point in getting personal?0 -
Yeah, lets introduce slavery to the UK while we are at it. If we don't care about peoples welfare, that would remove everyone of the dole.yes yes yes . . . that's all very well and good.
The alternative, of course, is that the company can decide it's not worth paying extra money for the role and not hire anybody, thus helping nobody off the dole.
Anyway, there is an elephant in the room that nobody dares to point out.
Anyone aged 44 who is in the market for jobs at NWM needs to take a good long hard look at themselves.
Report them and turn them down is all you can do. I wouldn't want to work for a company that would even attempt to do that, a pretty bad sign of things to come, recessions bring the worse out of employers.0 -
Yeah, lets introduce slavery to the UK while we are at it. If we don't care about peoples welfare, that would remove everyone of the dole.
Report them and turn them down is all you can do. I wouldn't want to work for a company that would even attempt to do that, a pretty bad sign of things to come, recessions bring the worse out of employers.
Yes, that's all very liberal and caring of you, but let's ask a philosophical question.
If you had a partner and / or family to support, would you prefer to work at a job on minimum wage or slightly below, or would you prefer to claim benefits?
I know how I would answer that.
And as for slavery . . well, we have a system that is exactly the opposite at the moment, don't we? A system in which generations of people are encouraged NOT to work, NOT to support themselves. We have families that are too obese to work. We have 2.5m people in invalidity benefits, making us surely the most sick nation in the world. 100,000 of those evidently are too 'depressed' to work.
Slavery my a**e. We molly coddle and protect the lazy, profligate and stupid, and penalise the frugal and hardworking.0 -
yes yes yes . . . that's all very well and good.
The alternative, of course, is that the company can decide it's not worth paying extra money for the role and not hire anybody, thus helping nobody off the dole.
Understood, but did the OP/OH actually say they were on the dole at any point? They may be, but it wasn't stated. There is such a thing as employed people jobseeking, too (re your comment "you can sign on...").
Anyway, the point about the company deciding not to take anybody on if they can't hire at £5.60ph isn't really valid. If the company was really that desperate, they could've shaved a couple of working hours off the advertised role (i.e advertised a 37.5hpw job @ £5.80+, for example). Or advertised for an apprentice...Or specifically (but discreetly) looked for a worker who was under the age of 22. Plus, apparently they're willing to increase the wage to £6.30 after 3 months?? That makes no sense to me.
No matter how desperate both the employer and employee may be, if a company can't (or won't!) pay NMW, would you really want to work for them? What other kind of illegal practices could they sneak in along the way? It's a matter of principle, and it seems like they're just looking for someone desperate enough to take up their offer.Anyway, there is an elephant in the room that nobody dares to point out.
Anyone aged 44 who is in the market for jobs at NWM needs to take a good long hard look at themselves.
What would you say to a middle-aged redundant person who used to make a decent living as a retail manager? Or a builder? Or a banker? I bet they weren't interested in NMW jobs before their work dried up...One side of your mouth is urging people to quit moaning about apparently illegal pay, yet the other side is mocking people who for whatever reason are in the market for NMW jobs - make your mind up.£1 / 50p 2011 holiday flight + hotel expenses = £98.50/£600
HSBC 8% 12mth regular savings = £80 out of a maximum remaining allowance of £2500
"3 months' salary" reserve = £00 / £3600 :eek:0 -
All this fuss over 20p an hour.
It's simple. If you don't want to work for that rate, turn it down. There will be plenty of people prepared to accept it.
Meanwhile, you can go back to sign on.
Who said i'm signing on??????? I certainly didnt! I am currently in full time employment, better money but its a 50 mile round trip! so hence the reason why i have been looking for something more local!
And If you took the time to read my OH's (the OP) she clarly stated that i turned the job down!!!!
I really do wish people would get their facts straight before jumping to conclusions!
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