Gas Boiler help

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Razor wrote: »

Do you have some form of dementia or do you have a doppelganger? Certainly looks like that's what you said.

As a BG contractor and WB installer perhaps I'm in a better place to know what WB allow BG to do than you?

Amazingly it is in writing but for some reason they didn't see fit to inform you.

as i work direct for bg and have in the past worked in quality control i think i know what i am talking about ...

you havnt got a clue if you think you can override the manu instructions you are a fool.plain and simple ..let me know what area you work and your manger details so i can ring him as you are in need of some retraining ..

Razor

I suggest you ring your QAE in the morning and ask if BG can fit a 24kW WB boiler right next to the meter on an existing 15mm supply as long as the inlet working pressure is acceptable.

You can apologise tomorrow night if you like.

Perhaps you should ring my manager who will tell you I have the top NPS score in my region. Of course by revealing your identity they may view your comments slating BG in rather a bad light;)

Actually I think the 330+ is a very good boiler I just wish they would fit Vaillants rather than WBs that die at the first sign of cold.

heating-eng

Razor wrote: »

I suggest you ring your QAE in the morning and ask if BG can fit a 24kW WB boiler right next to the meter on an existing 15mm supply as long as the inlet working pressure is acceptable.

You can apologise tomorrow night if you like.

Perhaps you should ring my manager who will tell you I have the top NPS score in my region. Of course by revealing your identity they may view your comments slating BG in rather a bad light;)

Actually I think the 330+ is a very good boiler I just wish they would fit Vaillants rather than WBs that die at the first sign of cold.

i like the Vaillants best also ..but as i was a QAE i will tell 100% fact you can not fit a smaller pipe if the instructions say that it is not allowed ..there is no question about it ...unless you get it in writing ..i am not trying to get you in trouble i would just advise your manger what you have said so your QAE for your area could have a a word with you thats all ..
i am leaving bg thats why i am looking for a van ..so i wouldnt care what they thought about me putting that i didnt like the 330 ..they buy them because there cheap (i think they cost us some thing like £200) and we charge from £3500 up for fitting them

Razor

With all respect being a QAE does not make you omnipotent, I was picked up during a recent inspection for putting an working inlet pressure down as 17mbar on a 28 junior, luckily for the QAE before he submitted it I was able to give him the TB from WB stating that down to 16.5mbar was acceptable allowing for resistance in the gas valve.

My point being that no one knows everything and it;s quite possible you haven't had this advice, sadly I can't find a copy but you will be able to verify it very easily with a phone call tomorrow won't you?

This all stemmed from your original post stating that MIs said pipework must be in 22mm for a combi as I quoted earlier.We both know it can often be in 28mm or even in very rare cases (domestically) in 35mm Are you now in a position to agree that statement was incorrect?

heating-eng

Razor wrote: »

With all respect being a QAE does not make you omnipotent, I was picked up during a recent inspection for putting an working inlet pressure down as 17mbar on a 28 junior, luckily for the QAE before he submitted it I was able to give him the TB from WB stating that down to 16.5mbar was acceptable allowing for resistance in the gas valve.

My point being that no one knows everything and it;s quite possible you haven't had this advice, sadly I can't find a copy but you will be able to verify it very easily with a phone call tomorrow won't you?

This all stemmed from your original post stating that MIs said pipework must be in 22mm for a combi as I quoted earlier.We both know it can often be in 28mm or even in very rare cases (domestically) in 35mm Are you now in a position to agree that statement was incorrect?

nobody is always right apart from you it seems ..i have never stated that any boiler should be 22mm ..think you might of misread something ..what i might of said is that most combi's req 22mm ..but this of cause was ment as a min depending on a number of things ...i am not always right and will be the first to admit it when i am wrong ..but one thing is very clear you cannot just fit any size you like ...

think you said something like because i am a bg contractor i can fit undersized pipe ..this is clearly not the case bg have to follow the man instructions just like everybody else ..

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Razor wrote: »

You have finally answered your own question, from the MIs you just posted it doesn't tell you to use 22mm at all:T

Btw BG and worcester approved installers can install these on 15mm pipe providing they can achieve the minimum working inlet pressure. All been approved by WB.

Have fun installing that 24i Junior;)

taken this from the instruction of a Bosch Greenstar 24i Junior ..

GAS SUPPLY:
• Boilers using NG must be connected to a
governed meter.
• LPG boilers must be connected to a
regulator.
• Installation and connection of the gas supply
to the boiler must be in accordance with
BS6891.
• Under no circumstances should the size of
the gas supply pipe be less than that of the
appliance inlet connection.
• The meter or regulator and pipework to the
meter must be checked, preferably by the gas
supplier, to ensure it is in good working order
and can meet the gas flow and pressure
requirements in addition to the demand from

any other appliance being served.

Razor

Well done you can read, lucky it wasn't joined up writing isn't it?

The MI's also state that the boiler can't be commissioned if there is less than 18.5mbar measured at the test point on the gas valve. Do you abide by that?

Hope not as there is a technical update allowing a measurement of 16.5 mbar at the gas valve.

Written instructions from the manufacturer override the MI's.

I didn't say everyone could do it, I have done it before on BG jobs and it has passed a QAE inspection the key point is having permission from Worcester to do it.

Shame you didn't bother ringing to confirm what I said but I suspect you was too busy ringing Veissmann 6 times to beg for training on the boilers that you see as much the same as all the others.

I'd stick to being a CPS if I was you, people in the real world like someone that knows what they are doing, interesting that you have chosen to pick up on this point (although you could easily put it to bed by picking up the phone) rather than admit that you made a mistake by saying that most combi MI's state that 22mm pipe should be fitted.

heating-eng

Razor wrote: »

Well done you can read, lucky it wasn't joined up writing isn't it?

The MI's also state that the boiler can't be commissioned if there is less than 18.5mbar measured at the test point on the gas valve. Do you abide by that?

Hope not as there is a technical update allowing a measurement of 16.5 mbar at the gas valve.

Written instructions from the manufacturer override the MI's.

I didn't say everyone could do it, I have done it before on BG jobs and it has passed a QAE inspection the key point is having permission from Worcester to do it.

Shame you didn't bother ringing to confirm what I said but I suspect you was too busy ringing Veissmann 6 times to beg for training on the boilers that you see as much the same as all the others.

I'd stick to being a CPS if I was you, people in the real world like someone that knows what they are doing, interesting that you have chosen to pick up on this point (although you could easily put it to bed by picking up the phone) rather than admit that you made a mistake by saying that most combi MI's state that 22mm pipe should be fitted.

as i am a QAE i wouldnt have one to phone.

you are totally misguided and really do not know what you are talking about .....

you because you are so good and know everything can disregard the instructions and fit a boiler as you see fit ..sorry but you can,t

like i have said in other posts please let me know the area you work and who you work under as it is a worry that we have somebody like you working for us ...you need stopping ..

Written instructions from the manufacturer override the MI's. : i think if you look back at what we have said .this is what i told you at the start ..