Is my company being unreasonable?

ckerrd

ninky wrote: »

but the employer has to act reasonably in this. if the employer had given the reason that they simply would not have enough cover over that time then fair enough. the fact they gave the reason that the OP had had too much time off due to paternity leave is the problem. using the paternity leave as the reason could be seen as discriminatory.

Which is why I have said on more than one occasion if the OP thinks he is being discriminated against then he should go through his company procedures.

I don't think he has bothered and appears to have left this discussion.

solodanceparty

NorhternMonkey wrote: »

Dont you think we would if it was practical! :mad: I have a very big family and nowhere to put them.

That's your problem, not your employers. And is there a reason you need them all at your house at once?

solodanceparty

mikey72 wrote: »

You really need to read up on this for yourself, as it is part of his statutory entitlement, not in excess,

but


"enabling your family to spend more time together, for example, taking your child to stay with grandparents"

would do for this.

If someone wants to take their child to their grandparents, they need to do it in their own time.

mikey72

Pete111 wrote: »

Seen as discriminatory by whom exactly? As if this one would ever get to tribunal....:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Yet another poster who thinks Employment law is like criminal law and you can call the Employee Relations Police when you think it's been breached...

Sorry OP, back in the real world I'm afraid being refused leave as you have spent a large amount of time out of the office in the recent past (for whatever reason) can be and is used as an acceptable excuse not to grant leave.

Suggest that you pick your battles and leave this one alone whilst working on a plan B for introducing your new arrival to the family (oh, and congrats BTW)

Wasn't all this said years ago, about maternity leave.
Of course it can go to a tribunal, and enough will go eventually to set enough of a precedent that employers will find it easier to follow the rules rather than ignore them. Depends how far each employee wants to go for their rights though. If I was leaving shortly I probably would fight, if not it's not a good career move.

Pete111

mikey72 wrote: »

Wasn't all this said years ago, about maternity leave.
Of course it can go to a tribunal, and enough will go eventually to set enough of a precedent that employers will find it easier to follow the rules rather than ignore them. Depends how far each employee wants to go for their rights though. If I was leaving shortly I probably would fight, if not it's not a good career move.

Oh please....

The employer IS 'following the rules'! This is a whinge (and we are all guily of having these re work BTW!) nothing more nothing less. The discrimination angle here is so weak it's barely there at all. Any decent lawyer wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Taking it to the nth degree then those in the office without children are also being discriminated against if the OP gets the leave requested - they are picking up all his work afterall... but hey aren't we all minorities these days?

mikey72

You don't need a lawyer at a tribunal for this one. And no you're not being discriminated against if you don't have kids, in fact you don't qualify for maternity or paternity leave if you don't have them.

NorhternMonkey

Its been really interesting reading all the posts.

I have spoken to one my boss who has agreed that I can take mon 1st off :T. I get the impression that he said no at first because our director was putting the squeeze on him, due to the director going to India for a trade show.

Any how thaks for the feed back. On reflection I feel like it was more of back to work blues than anything.

Pete111

mikey72 wrote: »

You don't need a lawyer at a tribunal for this one. And no you're not being discriminated against if you don't have kids, in fact you don't qualify for maternity or paternity leave if you don't have them.

Couldn't agree more!!! There is no case to answer!!!!

Oh and on the last bit re Kids, I know this - I was being facetious...;)

Glad to see the OP has worked out a compromise and that a sensible path has been found.