Average civil servant earns less than a private sector worker

marklv

Andy_L wrote: »

Interestering, IME its the other way round, the SCS are underpaid compared to their private counterparts (people recruited to the SCS from industry having higher salaries than internal promotees) whilst the AA/AOs, when you consider the whole package, are doing OK (mainly because minimum wage legislation favours salaried staff as you have to include holidays when working it out)

If you refer to the very highest grades you may well be correct, but even there you have several variables at play. You have to weigh up salary with all the various benefits and also lifestyle factors as well, e.g. the civil service is infinitely more tolerant of women taking time off for having children etc.
Admin assistants are very poorly paid, and EOs, most of whom are graduates, earn quite a bit less than their private sector counterparts. Not to mention the fact that promotion in the civil service is a 'dead man's shoes' business unless you get placed on the accelerated promotion scheme.

marklv

Andy_L wrote: »

Its only worse due to the increase in retirement age and an agreement to share any increase in employer contributions above, IIRC 20%.
The change to carear average was accompanied by an increase in accrual rate from 1/60ths (~1.6%) to 2.8%. Theoretically the accrual rate costs the same, it just shares it out differently instead of favouring full service staff who get regular promotion

My information is that the accrual rate on the new Nuvos scheme is 2.3% a year instead. It's a better scheme for older joiners, as their benefits accrue faster than under the previous scheme.

marklv

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Oh well - now a certain poster has arrived, that's the end of this thread.

Just before I go - markLV, try to get a little consistancy into your posts. Also try and support your usual wild rhetoric with a few facts

On #88 you say they are brutally underpaid
On #93 you say they are paid in line with blue chip companies

There is no contradiction here, as I was referring to the lowest clerical grades as the underpaid ones and the professional/specialist grades as in line with blue chip companies.

The_White_Horse

i think public sector workers should pay an additional 80% tax on all their salary because they are a waste of time and space.

It will be called "Non-Job" Tax. The more of a non-job you perform, the more you are taxed. The status of a non-job will be voted for by the public on a website.

2001GT

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i think public sector workers should pay an additional 80% tax on all their salary because they are a waste of time and space.

It will be called "Non-Job" Tax. The more of a non-job you perform, the more you are taxed. The status of a non-job will be voted for by the public on a website.

What a completely usless contribution to this thread.....

Andy_L

marklv wrote: »

My information is that the accrual rate on the new Nuvos scheme is 2.3% a year instead. It's a better scheme for older joiners, as their benefits accrue faster than under the previous scheme.

2.3 - 2.8%, Close enough for government work :-). You're right, it is 2.3%

Pennywise

marklv wrote: »

Admin assistants are very poorly paid, and EOs, most of whom are graduates, earn quite a bit less than their private sector counterparts. Not to mention the fact that promotion in the civil service is a 'dead man's shoes' business unless you get placed on the accelerated promotion scheme.

The reverse is true actually. I know several "administrators" who are earning around the £12k p.a. level in local private companies - firms which have been around for a decade or two, so must be doing something right. Compare that with a P60 I've seen for an "administrator" in the local council's engineering department - she tells me she mainly does filing, typing letters, etc (so a basic admin job) and her P60 shows £18,619 gross pay for 08/09 tax year. She says she doesn't like her job and is always on the lookout for another job, but that she can't get a job anywhere near her current pay level in the private sector and she doesn't want another job in public sector. In the city, yes, I suppose even basic jobs are fairly well paid and perhaps on a par or level with public sector, but out in the sticks, private sector pay is generally very poor whereas public sector national pay bargaining means that the public sector wages for relatively low levels are far higher.

marklv

Pennywise wrote: »

The reverse is true actually. I know several "administrators" who are earning around the £12k p.a. level in local private companies - firms which have been around for a decade or two, so must be doing something right. Compare that with a P60 I've seen for an "administrator" in the local council's engineering department - she tells me she mainly does filing, typing letters, etc (so a basic admin job) and her P60 shows £18,619 gross pay for 08/09 tax year. She says she doesn't like her job and is always on the lookout for another job, but that she can't get a job anywhere near her current pay level in the private sector and she doesn't want another job in public sector. In the city, yes, I suppose even basic jobs are fairly well paid and perhaps on a par or level with public sector, but out in the sticks, private sector pay is generally very poor whereas public sector national pay bargaining means that the public sector wages for relatively low levels are far higher.

I disagree - my wife is an administrator for a major IT services company in the royal county of Berkshire and earns £25k. While it's true that she is experienced she does not have any supervisory responsibilities for other staff.

marklv

2001GT wrote: »

What a completely usless contribution to this thread.....

Indeed - just a troll. It's funny that you get these wastes of space who keep saying that public sector jobs are non-jobs. If they were, and would not be done, it would be interesting to see the consequences. No doctors or nurses, no police, noone to process tax returns or driving licence applications, noone to execute government policy. In other words, total anarchy! Maybe that is what these anti-public sector boneheads really want. Interesting.

bendix

What is your job, marklv?

How important is it?