Manchester United debt hits £716m

lemonjelly

warehouse wrote: »

Sooner or later a big club will have to go into Admin, (Portsmouth don't count). Then the house of cards will be in trouble.

Big clubs have gone into admin - leeds, southampton for example. If portsmouth do, they'll get a 9 point deduction & re-emerge.

chucky

lemonjelly wrote: »

You're way off here I'm afraid chucky. You seen the crowds/attendances at Blackburn? Bolton? Wigan? Hull? Frequently having half the stadium sold out. http://itv.stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/attend.html

way off???? that's 13 out of 20 with 90% plus attendences

when have Blackburn had big attendances apart from when they won the Premiership
Bolton played very poor football under Megson - people hated him and walked away and didn't come and watch.
Wigan and Hul have other sports that take priority in the towns - Rugby League. they have always attracted more people than watching football.

it's a not a coincidence that all of those teams are in the bottom part of the premiership and play a poor standard of football (with the exception of Wigan)

lemonjelly

chucky wrote: »

way off???? that's 13 out of 20 with 90% plus attendences

when have Blackburn had big attendances apart from when they won the Premiership
Bolton played very poor football under Megson - people hated him and walked away and didn't come and watch.
Wigan and Hul have other sports that take priority in the towns - Rugby League. they have always attracted more people than watching football.

it's a not a coincidence that all of those teams are in the bottom part of the premiership and play a poor standard of football (with the exception of Wigan)

You're a Git!:D

Birmingham City also have had very low attendances.

Thrugelmir

chucky wrote: »

this is true but it doesn't mean it's less popular - here's a list of attendances.
during a recession it's still very high
http://itv.stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/attend.html

Stats

2007 - 75826
2008 - 75691
2009 - 75304
2010 - 74889 (to date)

Its as much to do with the quality of the football as the recession.

kennyboy66_2

chucky wrote: »

this is true but it doesn't mean it's less popular - here's a list of attendances.
during a recession it's still very high
http://itv.stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/attend.html

I'm a season ticket holder at Everton and have plenty of mates who watch the other team in the city.

In , general crowds for league matches are holding up because clubs have been highly sucessful at getting people to buy season tickets. They then often get them on 'auto cup ticket schemes', some almost compulsory, others with the teaser that you will get priority for cup tickets.

Empty spaces at the most popular and sucessful clubs (Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal) must be pretty worrying.

Look around you at any match, and the average age of supports will be similar to that in a theatre.

Look at the crowds for the FA cup 3rd round. Take out Uniteds attendance and they were atrocious for many clubs.

Add to the fact that almost every match is available on TV even if its on a dodgy internet stream.

chucky

lemonjelly wrote: »

You're a Git!:D

Birmingham City also have had very low attendances.

that one i give you - they're in the West Midland and an area with higher than average unemployment.

i really would have expected lower attendances in the premiership and other things that we're seeing to have dropped much more especially during a recession.
this is why i don't see the current one as going to cause us big pain - the next recessionary cycle that comes along is going to be more painful.

BritRael

lemonjelly wrote: »

...I hate Leeds. ....

Everybody hates us. We don't care

chucky

kennyboy66 wrote: »

I'm a season ticket holder at Everton and have plenty of mates who watch the other team in the city.

In , general crowds for league matches are holding up because clubs have been highly sucessful at getting people to buy season tickets. They then often get them on 'auto cup ticket schemes', some almost compulsory, others with the teaser that you will get priority for cup tickets.

Empty spaces at the most popular and sucessful clubs (Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal) must be pretty worrying.

Look around you at any match, and the average age of supports will be similar to that in a theatre.

Look at the crowds for the FA cup 3rd round. Take out Uniteds attendance and they were atrocious for many clubs.

Add to the fact that almost every match is available on TV even if its on a dodgy internet stream.

it's a decreasing trend that can be seen by looking at the cup games and the early stages of the Champions League. season ticket holders usually have 6 or 7 cup games and they spread them over the season across all cup competitions - is Everton like that too?

my point was only regarding the premiership - they've done very well in getting people renewing their season tickets and attendances don't seem to be dropping (yet).

kennyboy66_2

chucky wrote: »

Wigan and Hul have other sports that take priority in the towns - Rugby League. they have always attracted more people than watching football.

Wigans average football attendance will be higher than the RL clubs.

Hulls average crowd will almost certainly exceed both Hull KR and Hull rugby league average combined - although I am struggling to get exact stats, I would be very surprised if the average super league crowd exceeded 10k at either of the Hull clubs.

chucky

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Stats

2007 - 75826
2008 - 75691
2009 - 75304
2010 - 74889 (to date)

Its as much to do with the quality of the football as the recession.

i don't think so but you can have that view

the premiership lost Newcastle and West Brom to the Championship who had 90% plus attendances last season - that would have pushed up this season