Tories=Bigots..... proof if needed

mitchaa

sjaypink wrote: »

I'm thoroughbred chav mate

A labour voter then;)

blue_monkey_2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

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So I ask again, is it also so wrong that women should want to have the rewards of a satisfying career?

And perhaps this time, we could leave the assumption that all women want to breed and then be full time mothers at the door.....;)

I answered this already, no-one is assuming that ALL women want to be SAHM but there are millions who would love to, but they cannot because houses are so overpriced and there is a mortgage to pay. I know a lot of mums that I speak to at the school who loathe going out to work and leaving their children but have no choice.

For the majority of women the instinct is to give birth and nurture - I cannot for any minute really expect most guys to understand this, even my husband does not get it, but for women it is just an instinct that is there. Some women just have to have a baby. Some women do not have this and I have several friends that do not have or want children too.

Look at the animal kingdom, the nurturing and upbringing is generally left to the female of the species, there are some females of the species that give birth but then do not want to nurture (sea horses, cuckoo's) but the majority of the species will be nurtured by the female until her off-spring is able to fend for itself.

esuhl

peterg1965 wrote: »

The lack of support for marraige in our society is one of the reasons for the current social mess that this country finds itself in. At one time, marraige, the church and common law where the conerstones of our civilised society. These have been wittled away over the last generation, at an enormous expense to the fabric of this country.

I agree! We should return to a time when women knew their place was in the home, and had to marry to avoid destitution. The social mobility and freedoms that we have now make a mockery of marriage! In fact, arranged marriages should be part of the school curriculum.

And we should definitely try to instill the values of an anti-intellectual religion upon the masses. The next thing we know, people will be thinking for themselves, and we can't have that! How can you control a populace who think independently?!

No - marriage and religion: the bedrock of a stable, civilised country.

Jonbvn

WhiteThierry wrote: »

im too ugly to find a wife, and now the government is discriminating against me for it, cheers for kicking a man when he's down! :mad:

Vote nuLabour - the party for ugly people!;)

System

Athiests don't get married...

ARGHHHHH Hahahahahaah!

Jonbvn

treliac wrote: »

With respect, Hamish, you don't have or want children and don't have the instincts that are experienced by those of us who do and whose first instinct is to be a parent.

My vote for condescending post of the week. What exactly are these instincts? Failure to keep you d*ck in your pants?

peterg1965

I was born in the 1960's, a generation when most kids were bought up in a family environment where the Dads worked as the sole breadwinner and the Mums generally stayed at home at bought up the kids. If you listen to the drivel spouted by this Govt then we were a generation that were failed by the State and thats why they insist on all the 'social engineering' we put up with today. In my view far too many Mothers are almost forced to work when they would rather be in the home, contrary to what Harriet Harman would have you believe, but that is the pressure of modern life.

I would say that my family upbringing has been the absolute bedrock of my life. It has given me my morality, my conscience and my solid beliefs. Most of that I hope to pass on to my children. Whilst I am not saying that single parent families cannot provide a similar foundation in life, there are many very good single parents, the core family and extended family are the absolute basic necessity in a modern society.

The tax system, the welfare system and all other Government frameworks should respect, encourage and incentivise the family.

LizEstelle

Yep, the Tories are back to their old 'Family Values' rubbish - you know: 'we all believe in the sanctity of the unitary family' piety and then it turns out that that Prime Minister is busy engaging in extra-marital with cabinet colleagues.

'Do as we say'....

Yep, the Tories are good at that. Laying down the law for others. Little surprise there, then, seeing who's in charge.

LibbyR26

Mr.Knightley wrote: »

At present people are often financially better off claiming to be single, than married or with partner. This is a financial incentive for people to stay single, while punishing people that don't. It would be fairer to have an equal playing field where people are no better off single.

As a single girl, working full time, living on my own with no children. and has never claimed beneifts I would love to know how I could be better off financially being single than as part of a couple.

I presently subsidise couples through my Council Tax. I pay 75% of the full cost even though I use alot less of the facilities that 2 adults or those with children.

The cost to heat my home is the same whether one person or two people live in it. Even at the supermarket the bogoff offers on perishable goods are aimed at couples. Although I am capable at DIY I find myself paying out more to tradesmen than married friends, simply because there are certain jobs that a petite 5ft girl can't physically do.

Sorry to moan, but I just get a bit sick of the presumption that single life is cheaper. As for the Tory plan, I find it really insulting and it shows, as usual, how out of touch they are.

Maybe they have match.com signed up as a sponsor.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

Interesting to see how this has backfired on Cameron and how phrases like "social engineering" can be used and re-used by politicians.

Not all mothers who work are power-suited, money-crazed City types in high-flying executive jobs. Similarly, just being at home with your kid doesn't automatically equate to superior parenting, as many infants' days appear to consist of being driven to supermarkets and plonked in front of Nickelodeon and CBeebies.

Good parenting and strong family and community values need to be approached from all angles and don't have an easy, gimmicky soundbite answer. Is the proposed tax break more likely to make people consider marriage or reconsider divorce? Does it still apply to those separated but still legally married- how does that benefit the kids?