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itsmeagain

CKdesigner wrote: »

LOL!!! Yes this is a money saving site and without question Miele produce a very good vacuum cleaner that will out last virtually every other vacuum cleaner on the market - what's not money saving about that. I don't know anyone with a Miele vacuum cleaner that doesn't use the genuine bags. It would be like having a Ferrari and then putting re-moulds on it!

I think what you don't get is that Miele's whole philosophy is to design and produce the best appliances it possibly can. 2 Of its company motos are 'Immer Besser' = 'Forever Better' and 'Without Compromise' these are fundamental core values to the company and have been up held ever since its conception in 1899 and is still family owned and run in its 4th generation of Miele and Zinkan families.

CK

They have compromised though - on price, reach, weight, bag size and running costs!
So as a fair summary (i have a miele and henry)...
if you pay 2 x as much,
use 2 x more electric,
pay 4 x as much on bags (2 x price and less than half the size),
pay 4 x as much on filters,
don't do heavy DIY (too close to commercial use)!
accept the shorter reach and have balance it half way up the stairs (henry will reach half way point from top and bottom),
you can have a miele, which looks more stylish, quieter with better filtration, and similar durability to a henry.

itsmeagain

themanbearpig wrote: »

Interesting thread!

Im looking for a new vacuum as my Dyson has stopped sucking. I was going to buy the Meile cat and dog vacuum, but now ive seen the Henry turbo vacuum, with the electric turbo brush. These cost £160, and the meile cost £180.

I have a dog, so picking up hairs is a high priority.
The miele has twice the power of the Henry, but the Henry has an electric power brush instead of an air-powered brush.

Which would be better?

An upright bissell pet hair erasor is the best for you. We have a dyson, henry, miele cat&dog and a bissell. The dyson got worn out after a few years so we bought the miele but the brush doesn't touch the carpet and if you pust it on the carpet it stops. Fit the airbrush to the henry and it goes faster and does a better job. Go over what youve just vacuumed with the bissel and you have more in the chamber than the miele had in its bag after the 1st vacuum! The brush on the bissell actually moves the carpet fibres an motors the machine along the carpet slightly. It open the fibres and sucks the dirt out the gaps. Tthe airbrush can only grip and puul out what is sucked above the carpet if it doesnt actually touch it.

andrewmoorcroft

itsmeagain wrote: »

They have compromised though - on price, reach, weight, bag size and running costs!
So as a fair summary (i have a miele and henry)...
if you pay 2 x as much,
use 2 x more electric,
pay 4 x as much on bags (2 x price and less than half the size),
pay 4 x as much on filters,
don't do heavy DIY (too close to commercial use)!
accept the shorter reach and have balance it half way up the stairs (henry will reach half way point from top and bottom),
you can have a miele, which looks more stylish, quieter with better filtration, and similar durability to a henry.

Good summary. I cant afford the initial outlay of a miele or the continued running costs and dont want to change bags so often so i'm gonna get myself a henry and put up with 'industry standard' filters!

roddydogs

I used to have a "Pet Hairs" Attachment (The Velvety type) till i realised it just picked up the pile from the carpet, filling the bag in no time. Now i just use the normal one.
PS ignore the "Wattage" it does not indicate the Power of the Vacuum--- I use Henry on 1/2 power, and with the adjustment on the handle open (Minimum)
Its still more than powerful enoungh, thous its only using 600W

CKdesigner

itsmeagain wrote: »

They have compromised though - on price, reach, weight, bag size and running costs!
So as a fair summary (i have a miele and henry)...
if you pay 2 x as much,
use 2 x more electric,
pay 4 x as much on bags (2 x price and less than half the size),
pay 4 x as much on filters,
don't do heavy DIY (too close to commercial use)!
accept the shorter reach and have balance it half way up the stairs (henry will reach half way point from top and bottom),
you can have a miele, which looks more stylish, quieter with better filtration, and similar durability to a henry.

I do feel this is all rather pointless. But anyway you are wrong or miss guided on a few of your points.

1) You are wrong on your price comparison, a Henry costs around £90 where as a Miele S4212 costs around £140. It is more but not twice as much.
2) Weight - A Henry is 6.6 Kg. A Miele S4212 is 6.5 Kg with all accessories atached. So I think that means the Miele is lighter!
3)You could use more electricity with a Miele depending on the setting the user requires.
4) I don't know if you pay twice as much on bags but with a Miele and a normal 3 bed house you should go through 2 x boxes of bags and filters a year costing in total £16. I don't know about you but I feel this is a small price to pay for the best filtration in the industry.
5)Miele bags are 3.5 ltrs and really you should put a new one in every 4/6 weeks. So if the bag was larger you are saying you would change it less. So therefore you have all sorts of dirt and bacteria hanging about in your cleaner for months! - No thank you.
6) Filter costs are included with the bags. (£16 per year for bags and filters)
7) A Miele can easily take on 'heavy DIY' just put a new bag in when finished.
8) Shorter reach - yeah, but how much more than 9m do you need? I suppose if you want to do the neighbours vacuuming while leaving it plugged into your electric supply you would need 'more reach'!

You are very miss informed about the suction rates, as you say this is very important in a vacuum cleaner, a Henry has a flow rate of 45 liters per second a Miele with a 2000w motor has a rate of 71 litres per second. One of the most amazing things is that it will do all this far quieter as well! A sign of true quality engineering.

As I have previously said there is nothing wrong with Henry vacuums, I would much rather have one than a Dyson, but in essence a Miele is all about quality engineering so it doesn't need a face painted on the front of it!

CK

CKdesigner

mealticket wrote: »

Itsmeagain has definitely won the coconut

take note, that was a comprehesive opinion. i like it

You can keep the coconut thanks.

I would rather have the best vacuum cleaner!