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  • Uncertain
    Uncertain Posts: 3,901 Forumite
    jazzys wrote: »
    I find that remark deeply offensive actually. Your opinion is completely incorrect.
    would i be wasting my time on here if i knew it was all a load of lies designed to get her off work over xmas.

    she was sick, she knew it and the doctor knew it. And most of her colleagues at work knew it and ofered to cover her shifts. It was a new manager that didn't know her background that came in with a big stick and made the decision even though, as i say all her workmates offered to cover her workload

    As I said before, there are a handful of ignorant posters on this forum who love jumping on anything that is stress / mental health related. I just hope they never find themselves ill in this way (or perhaps that is what they deserve)!

    OK, in an ideal world the lady should not have made the remark (or threat if you must) that she did. However, anybody who has seriously suffered in this way will know what can happen in these type of situations.

    Particularly if she has a documented medical history in this area this is going nowhere.

    Most doctors do not like having their professional opinion challenged, particularly by some jumped up clerk who calls themselves a "human resources professional".
  • Zazen999
    Zazen999 Posts: 6,183 Forumite
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    jazzys wrote: »
    She visited the doctor and got the sicknote for a breakdown and backpain she was suffering.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3663385.stm

    The survey also revealed the most frequent causes for sick notes to be back pain, depression, stress and the flu.


    Among the reasons workers said they would give to get a sick note were a personal crisis they couldn't tell their employer about, work-related stress, not wanting to use their holiday entitlement, and fatigue.




  • jazzys
    jazzys Posts: 61 Forumite
    Zazen999 wrote: »
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3663385.stm

    The survey also revealed the most frequent causes for sick notes to be back pain, depression, stress and the flu.


    Among the reasons workers said they would give to get a sick note were a personal crisis they couldn't tell their employer about, work-related stress, not wanting to use their holiday entitlement, and fatigue.





    i suppose your suggesting everyone with back pain or stress is pulling the wool over the doctors eyes then eh?

    Jazzys
    something missing
  • Zazen999
    Zazen999 Posts: 6,183 Forumite
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    jazzys wrote: »
    i suppose your suggesting everyone with back pain or stress is pulling the wool over the doctors eyes then eh?

    Jazzys

    Not everyone - but it doesn't look good pulling a sickie when you can't get your leave - even worse when you tell them that's what you are going to do.
  • Uncertain
    Uncertain Posts: 3,901 Forumite
    Zazen999 wrote: »
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3663385.stm

    The survey also revealed the most frequent causes for sick notes to be back pain, depression, stress and the flu.


    Among the reasons workers said they would give to get a sick note were a personal crisis they couldn't tell their employer about, work-related stress, not wanting to use their holiday entitlement, and fatigue.





    Lies, dammed lies and statistics - as somebody famous once said!

    Another way of reading the same article is of course that 8 out of 10 are perfectly genuine!
  • stebiz
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    Uncertain wrote: »
    As I said before, there are a handful of ignorant posters on this forum who love jumping on anything that is stress / mental health related. I just hope they never find themselves ill in this way (or perhaps that is what they deserve)!

    OK, in an ideal world the lady should not have made the remark (or threat if you must) that she did. However, anybody who has seriously suffered in this way will know what can happen in these type of situations.

    Particularly if she has a documented medical history in this area this is going nowhere.

    Most doctors do not like having their professional opinion challenged, particularly by some jumped up clerk who calls themselves a "human resources professional".

    This 'ignorant' poster actually suffers from depression, and is on medication. This 'ignorant' poster knows what it is like to have a family at home whilst he had to work over Christmas.This 'ignorant' poster never threatened to go off sick, if he never got time off. This 'ignorant' poster never had stress/depression that lasted a week over Christmas.

    When this 'ignorant' poster was ill, it lasted months.
    Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies
  • rupee99
    rupee99 Posts: 242 Forumite
    jazzys wrote: »
    i suppose your suggesting everyone with back pain or stress is pulling the wool over the doctors eyes then eh?

    Jazzys

    Do not rise to the bait. This forum, as are many others, who rush to judgement without any credible evidence and to whom the concept of a fair hearing is unheard of. Their attitude is much like you say or paraphrasing someone further up, "It's been in a BBC reported survey so she must be malingering."

    Going back to the tread title, I would say that the company does not believe that your former partner was genuinely ill because of what she said and the unfortunate way she put it across. Notwithstanding a medical certificate she has a credibility problem with her employer.

    She faces an uphilll battle to remedy this situation, if she can it is unlikely that there will be any further action, if not there are a whole range of sanctions up to dismissal. IMO that is highly unlikely because they cannot gainsay the professional opinion of a doctor without very good evidence. I would expect something rather less severe, provided her conduct has been good previously, such as a verbal or written warning.
  • Zazen999
    Zazen999 Posts: 6,183 Forumite
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    Uncertain wrote: »
    Lies, dammed lies and statistics - as somebody famous once said!

    Another way of reading the same article is of course that 8 out of 10 are perfectly genuine!

    Of course they are! But the issue here is not the sick note, but telling their employer that they would take a sickie if they weren't allowed the leave.

    Questions I would be asking were whether the OP's ex-partner spent the 'sick leave' in bed and in recovery, or leading a normal day to day life, and did the sickness coincide with the coming and going of the ex-partner or did it start earlier and/or stop later, what pain killers are they on for the back pain, what are they on/doing for the breakdown, and is there a session or a follow-up session booked for counseling.
  • Zazen999
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    edited 13 January 2010 at 10:55AM
    rupee99 wrote: »
    Their attitude is much like you say or paraphrasing someone further up, "It's been in a BBC reported survey so she must be malingering."

    No, my attitude is - how stupid do you have to be to tell your employer you are going to pull a sickie and then go and do it. I mean, honestly!

    I googled 'doctor sick note fake' and found that report. I'm sure there are others. It's well known that people fake sickies to get time off. Telling your employer that you are planning on doing it beggars belief.
  • stebiz
    stebiz Posts: 6,592 Forumite
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    Zazen999 wrote: »
    Of course they are! But the issue here is not the sick note, but telling their employer that they would take a sickie if they weren't allowed the leave.

    Questions I would be asking were whether the OP's ex-partner spent the 'sick leave' in bed and in recovery, or leading a normal day to day life, and did the sickness coincide with the coming and going of the ex-partner or did it start earlier and/or stop later, what pain killers are they on for the back pain, what are they on/doing for the breakdown, and is there a session or a follow-up session booked for counseling.

    Exactly, when I was ill (quite near a breakdown) I couldn't get out of bed. Never mind have anything to do with my kids. I was drugged upto the heavens. And then it took months to recover!! Did the kids have to cancel the holiday because the Mum was so ill??

    I should also say, like I have said previously, this will go no more than a written warning, but will go on her record - IMO.
    Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies
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