Ceiling Light Wiring Problem

Alias_Omega

Ok, ive drawn you 2 pictures.

Picture 1 - This shows how it would be wired up, ive not shown inside the ceiling roses, as thats been posted before.

Picture 2 - This shows how yours is wired, if you look at the circuit. Light 1 & Light 2 are in series, which gives you dim lights, and removing the bulbs opens the circuit. The green circle is your fault, and you require 2x reds together, 2x blacks together. Brown in with the red, Blue in with the black on the pendant.

Ive not shown the earths..

Picture 1



Picture 2




I hope this helps, and saves you some £££. It wont be a lot to call someone out. About £35 - 40, but you should give this a try and if it works, report back.

Regards,

Alias

tommytadge

Thanks very much Alias for taking the time to explain this.

Will let you know how i get on.

andrew-b

I thought they said only one light was dim?

Fact is OP made the mistake of not noting down how things were connnected before or taking any pictures....that IMO qualifies for this weeks electrical "numpty" badge Sorry OP but your messing with something you don't appear to fully understand which is when things start getting dangerous..even that you started this post says to me you need to get someone in. Don't worry the "numpty" badge will soon get passed onto the next person who doesn't note how a ceiling rose was wired..it's the most common electrical question here...lets hope someone else doesn't follow the advice in this thread for the more usual simple ceiling rose probs!

P.s. I'm also a brain surgeon, NASA rocket scientist... no disrespect meant to electricians but see my point

Alias_Omega

Any updates

keith969

andrew-b wrote: »

Stop messing about with it and get someone in! And for god's sake don't go poking neon screwdrivers at it ...a faulty/damaged neon tester could kill you as Zax says. Most of these neon screwdrivers cost a quid or two if that yet many people seem totally happy putting their life in it's hands! Total madness!! Electrical testing shouldn't be a game of russian roulette! The only time i'd ever use one of them is when i'm sure the wire isn't live - as a screwdriver!

Many of us could probably fix this for you in no time but don't want to be responsible for your death!

p.s. Not an electrician...just a DIYer with electrical knowledge!

Speaking as a qualified electrical/electronic engineer, this is just scaremongering. Do you seriously think such things would be on sale to joe public if they were that unsafe? Ban cars first, they kill thousands of people each year... how many people have died using a neon tester? Answers on a postcard please.

I'm not saying they are the best things out there, but they have their uses if you know how to use them and you understand the risks involved. And if you don't understand the risks of tampering with electrical systems (and the OP clearly should be if he's trying to rewire light fittings) then leave well alone and call in your local sparky.

tommytadge

Alias, you're a star :T

Wired everything as you suggested and lights are working perfectly. :j

Just to set a few things straight, no poking or messing with neon testers or such like was attempted. I have replaced a few ceiling roses in the past without any problems, just never come across wiring like this before and that's why i posted the problem to get advice from the knowledgeable.
Thanks again for all the help and advice :beer:

Alias_Omega

I would suggest that next-time, maybe take a picture of the job before you take things apart.

Easier to upload to computer / laptop and inspect afterwards than wondering....what if..

andrew-b

keith969 wrote: »

Speaking as a qualified electrical/electronic engineer, this is just scaremongering.

Actually it's not..i spent quite a while googling this not so long ago as i wanted to establish just how safe these devices are...lets just say from what i read i won't ever be testing anything live with one. I've lost the link but there was an excellent thread in an electrical/electronic engineer forum ...turning into quite an argument as like yourself there are those that believe it's scaremongering and those that believe they are deadly.
I'm sure if you google you can find someone to accuse of scaremongering there too

However neon testers come in a variety of forms ..some safer than others - safer one's you won't find in the local pound shop and will probably come with instructions too.

Still let us know when you get a shock from one ...if your still alive :rolleyes:

ormus

oh for gods sake.
give it up will you lot of vested interest parties.
!!!!!!.

more sparkys have been killed driving to work, than joe bloggs with a neon tester.

The_Mighty_Gusset

I thought you might like this.
My landlady asked me to take a look at the main ceiling fixing in her front room.
"I don't understand" she said "The bulb blew, so I put in a new one, but it blew straight away"
This is what I found :

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