Sleep more weigh less in 2010

thriftykitty

The more active I am during the day, the more likely I am to go to bed earlier. So more exercise = more sleep + less time for eating!
The less you do during the day is obv going to make you less tired and more likely to stay up late. A vicious circle me thinks

tara747

OK, off to bed, night night!!!!! Lights out girls! :rotfl:

GlasweJen

Gap aren't generous with their sizing, their clothes use the American sizing system not the UK one hence why your average UK 12 will fit into gap jeans that are a size 8. It says this in the shop and they have signs showing you how to convert to get the correct size.

poorandindenial

clipboard2 wrote: »

Hi, thanks for your replies and interest everyone.

Poorandindenial - there is so much published research on this topic, much of it done in the last 10 years, which has been reviewed by peer group scientists, to ensure control/standardisation of other factors which could influence results eg amount of exercise taken.

If you have access to a university library, the Journal of Endocrinology has thousands of research papers on this.
If you don't have access googling around the subject will give you relevant articles/publications and links. For starters try "leptin and sleep"; "grhelin and sleep".

Although the link between sleep deprivation and obesity is well established in the scientific community, it is hardly known at all in the general public.

Quite simply, there is no money to be made of of this research finding!!
In contrast,you cannot escape the media's obsession with diet promotion, where there is a multi million pound diet and exercise industry with a vested interest in the sale of their products.

If you are interested in how the media promote the public misunderstanding of science in general, I recommend reading Ben Goldacre's "Bad Science" (2008)(from your library!). It covers a lot of the recent "health scares", and "wonder pills". You will be astonished..... CB2X

Hi hun

Thanks for the reply

I have already read Ben Goldacre's book, he is a breath of fresh air and it is a really straightforward read for non specialists.

I work in health information (not medical research) and have access to medical libraries because of who I work for at the moment, I was just being lazy and was hoping you would post references to a couple of particularly useful artiicles - lol sorry, cheeky of me.

Have you also read the tiger that isn't? It is a good book on use of stats. This is it: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tiger-That-Isnt-Through-Numbers/dp/1861978391. If you enjoyed Ben Goldacre you might enjoy this one too.

Bronnie

clipboard2 wrote: »

On the subject of the public being mislead/kept in the dark, those of you aged under 40 might be astonished to learn the extent to which clothes size labelling has been "relaxed" here over the last few decades.

For example, as a teenager aged 14-16 in the 60's, I fitted a UK size 14.
Now middle aged, 3 stone heavier and 4 inches bigger all round (chest/waist/hips) I can comfortably fit a UK size 12. :T:T

If my 2010 size 12 self was teleported back to the 1960's, I think I would have needed a size 18 or even 20. Except that I would not have been able to find such a "large" size on the high street! CB2X

So true! I have discussed this previously on the Daily fashion thread.

Age 14-16 in the early seventies when boutiques only tended to stock up to size 14, I used to manage to squeeze into their clothes, but it was often touch and go! Same as you, now some 2 and a half stones heavier and still wearing size 14's!!

One of the regulars there, goanmad (who's on hols at the mo, or I know she'd join in) has an online business selling vintage clothes and she has confirmed this in that the sizes from the 60's vintage garments she has are so much smaller than today.

Clothing from supermarkets like Asda is even more ludicrously over-sized, presumably to give their customers the feel-good factor, but we surely know we are only kidding ourselves!!

I also previously commented that although it was a bit miserable at the time, trying to squeeze into boutique clothes, it also helped discipline you into watching your weight as clothes in larger sizes were very old-fashioned and the sort of thing your mother wore (in the days before mothers wore skinny jeans and Uggs!!)

Hmm! and here I am and you're all in bed. Clipboard, when you say quantity rather than quality, does this mean 3.00am to 11.00am is just as good as 11pm to 7.00am? I work late in the evening and this couple of hours is my wind-down time (but can also be my nibbling and wine-drinking time too). Goes off pondering this one! Goodnight all!

clipboard2

Hi everyone, thanks again for replies, hope you're all sleeping well.

Yes, Bronnie, it's sleep duration that counts, (although sleeping out of sync with natural day and nighttime eg night workers) does adversely adversely affect health.
Thanks Poornandindenial, will check out the "Tiger" book.

Here's something else about loosing weight.....may I share...

Have just recalled my time in China (DH worked in Shanghai 2007/8) and how skinny the Chinese were; indeed I never saw 1 obese or even slightly chunky Chinese person.

Yet a 1990 survey showed the average Chinese person consumed 30% more calories than the average Westerner, yet they weighed a lot less, despite not being more active.

Now, I adore Chinese food, and I ate much more food than normal there, lots of rice, noodles, fried meats, ate out at restaurants daily. Truly pigged out. Didnt exercise, sleep more (chinese beds too damned hard!) or have any tummy upsets.

Yet not only did I not put on weight, I actually lost weight while in China. My DH unusually looked like a famine victim, with belt 4 notches tighter to prevent trousers falling down.
This is a bizarre thing, hard to believe if you've not experienced it...
"Eat more, weigh less"

How? The only thing that explains it to me is that the Chinese drink plenty of green tea. (Anyone else any ideas? I've searched MSE - nothing)
Every restaurant in China served larges pots of green tea (free of charge) before every course of a meal, and DH and I had been drinking lots of it, as well as at home.

Here's the science:

Green tea is very rich in a type of polyphenols called catechins which trigger weight loss by stimulating the body to burn calories and reduce body fat. Catechins also reduce LDL 'bad' cholesterol levels.

Published research (eg in Am. J. Clin. Nutrition) shows evidence that polyphenols depress leptin and affect other hormones which regulate appetite.

Green tea consumption has been shown to increase noradrenaline levels (a chemical neurotransmitter). Noradrenaline plays a major role in activating brown fat tissue (the only metabolically active fat in humans). Brown fat activation burns calories from the white fat located around waist, hips and thighs. :T:j

Indeed, many "diet" pills have green tea extract as their active ingredient.

So the effective MS way to lose weight IMO= more sleep + drink green tea! CB2X
Bitsy beans - you can just do the green tea bit hun.

salesaddict

Thanks, I really hate green tea, but I am going to give it a go.
I am ususally more of a milky tea/ latte sort of woman

tara747

GlasweJen wrote: »

Gap aren't generous with their sizing, their clothes use the American sizing system not the UK one hence why your average UK 12 will fit into gap jeans that are a size 8. It says this in the shop and they have signs showing you how to convert to get the correct size.

Yes, I am quite aware of this! :rotfl: They are generous in their sizing, never have I been bigger than an XS/TP in Gap and when I was a size 8 all their stuff was too big!!

clipboard2 wrote: »

Hi everyone, thanks again for replies, hope you're all sleeping well.

Yes, Bronnie, it's sleep duration that counts, (although sleeping out of sync with natural day and nighttime eg night workers) does adversely adversely affect health.
Thanks Poornandindenial, will check out the "Tiger" book.

Here's something else about loosing weight.....may I share...

Have just recalled my time in China (DH worked in Shanghai 2007/8) and how skinny the Chinese were; indeed I never saw 1 obese or even slightly chunky Chinese person.

Yet a 1990 survey showed the average Chinese person consumed 30% more calories than the average Westerner, yet they weighed a lot less, despite not being more active.

Now, I adore Chinese food, and I ate much more food than normal there, lots of rice, noodles, fried meats, ate out at restaurants daily. Truly pigged out. Didnt exercise, sleep more (chinese beds too damned hard!) or have any tummy upsets.

Yet not only did I not put on weight, I actually lost weight while in China. My DH unusually looked like a famine victim, with belt 4 notches tighter to prevent trousers falling down.
This is a bizarre thing, hard to believe if you've not experienced it...
"Eat more, weigh less"

How? The only thing that explains it to me is that the Chinese drink plenty of green tea. (Anyone else any ideas? I've searched MSE - nothing)
Every restaurant in China served larges pots of green tea (free of charge) before every course of a meal, and DH and I had been drinking lots of it, as well as at home.

Here's the science:

Green tea is very rich in a type of polyphenols called catechins which trigger weight loss by stimulating the body to burn calories and reduce body fat. Catechins also reduce LDL 'bad' cholesterol levels.

Published research (eg in Am. J. Clin. Nutrition) shows evidence that polyphenols depress leptin and affect other hormones which regulate appetite.

Green tea consumption has been shown to increase noradrenaline levels (a chemical neurotransmitter). Noradrenaline plays a major role in activating brown fat tissue (the only metabolically active fat in humans). Brown fat activation burns calories from the white fat located around waist, hips and thighs. :T:j

Indeed, many "diet" pills have green tea extract as their active ingredient.

So the effective MS way to lose weight IMO= more sleep + drink green tea! CB2X
Bitsy beans - you can just do the green tea bit hun.

*dashes off to buy all the green tea in Tesco*

I do drink a lot of herbal tea but prefer mint/camomile/jasmine to green tea. But I am sure going to give it a go!! Thanks again. :A

Bronnie

clipboard2 wrote: »

Hi everyone, thanks again for replies, hope you're all sleeping well.

Yes, Bronnie, it's sleep duration that counts, (although sleeping out of sync with natural day and nighttime eg night workers) does adversely adversely affect health.

Thanks for that, I did know about the out-of-sync sleep hours, that's why I asked. If I slept 11.30pm to 7.30pm (which is unsociable but possible) I would need an afternoon nap as I would be starting to flag just when I needed to wind-up for work! Then there is the Mediterranean sleep pattern of early mornings (getting the work done before the heat of the day) afternoon siestas and late nights)!



Here's something else about loosing weight.....may I share...

Have just recalled my time in China (DH worked in Shanghai 2007/8) and how skinny the Chinese were; indeed I never saw 1 obese or even slightly chunky Chinese person.

Yet a 1990 survey showed the average Chinese person consumed 30% more calories than the average Westerner, yet they weighed a lot less, despite not being more active.

Maybe genetically pre-disposed to be skinny??

Nor did their diet traditionally contain a lot of sugar, which messes up the body's natural control mechanisms. Also, although they may appear to eat a lot, much of what they they eat is not calorie dense. Cooking methods of steaming and boiling are used, diets contain very small amounts of protein and virtually no dairy. Lots of broth type meals and simple carbs. I'm very, very surprised that 1990 stats show 30% more calorie intake than a westerner!! I'm talking about a traditional Chinese diet, pre the world-wide influence, of Coca Cola and Mr McD !!!!!!!!


However I do think many of us in the UK are far more sedentary than we actually realise, than in other some countries.


Here's the science:

Green tea is very rich in a type of polyphenols called catechins which trigger weight loss by stimulating the body to burn calories and reduce body fat. Catechins also reduce LDL 'bad' cholesterol levels.

Published research (eg in Am. J. Clin. Nutrition) shows evidence that polyphenols depress leptin and affect other hormones which regulate appetite.

Green tea consumption has been shown to increase noradrenaline levels (a chemical neurotransmitter). Noradrenaline plays a major role in activating brown fat tissue (the only metabolically active fat in humans). Brown fat activation burns calories from the white fat located around waist, hips and thighs. :T:j

Indeed, many "diet" pills have green tea extract as their active ingredient.

So the effective MS way to lose weight IMO= more sleep + drink green tea! CB2X
Bitsy beans - you can just do the green tea bit hun.

Worth a try, I find it ok! How many cups a day for optimum benefit, do you happen to know?

tara747

I hereby resolve to go to bed NO LATER than 10:30pm tonight.

Better unplug the computer then... :rotfl: