Unemployed & No longer Entitled to anything.

wishface

cally6008 wrote: »

signing on is not just about them going "oh there's nothing on our system for you", it's about you looking on their system twice a day and seeing for yourself what vacancies there are and applying for them

so you've got chef, I.T. and admin experience but cant find a job on I.o.W ? have you thought about relocating to mainland UK to widen your choices and chances of getting a job ?

'their system' doesn't work and radically needs a complete sea change.

Going to the CAB would be the best advice anyone here could give as being refused income based JSA is ridiculous. No one is going to be able to start, let alone find, a job if they have an income of zero.

wishface

helzbelz_57 wrote: »

maybe you should pop out a child then seeing as you will then be entitled to every benefit under the sun!!

really. some people.

Do you really think that's true or just the sort of thing that Richard Littlejohn invents to justify his £800k a year salary.

rao_2

wishface wrote: »

Going to the CAB would be the best advice anyone here could give as being refused income based JSA is ridiculous. No one is going to be able to start, let alone find, a job if they have an income of zero.

I don't have a great deal of knowledge about it but as far as I know the JSA has some kind of cut-off point. During the time of receiving benefits you have to be looking for work as the OP said and show as much every so often. But after 6 months (or more depending on circumstance) if you have not gotten a job, you either accept whatever is on the table regardless of if its not the area you had planned/wanted to work in or you get cut-off. But the Job Centre itself should tell you about your options and extra support when it gets to this point.

I just had a quick Google though about the 6 month cutoff and found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal_%28UK%29

Sounds like it has a few options that allow you to continue claiming JSA like taking on a subsidised job placement, doing some training.education or some voluntary/environmental work. Could be worth discussing with local centre.

HannahIOW

helzbelz_57 wrote: »

maybe you should pop out a child then seeing as you will then be entitled to every benefit under the sun!!

really. some people.

I did say that mostly in jest however the cold truth is that a large number of people these days simply don't bother to work, instead they have children at a young age (usually teenagers but I don't want to generalise) and are then given housing for free along with many other benefits... when the child is old enough for the parent to be expected to return to work, they simply have another baby and so it continues...

HannahIOW

As far as I know (or so I was told) contributions based jsa can only be claimed for a maximum of 6 months, at which point you are switched to income based jsa if you meet the requirements

wishface

rao wrote: »

I don't have a great deal of knowledge about it but as far as I know the JSA has some kind of cut-off point. During the time of receiving benefits you have to be looking for work as the OP said and show as much every so often. But after 6 months (or more depending on circumstance) if you have not gotten a job, you either accept whatever is on the table regardless of if its not the area you had planned/wanted to work in or you get cut-off. But the Job Centre itself should tell you about your options and extra support when it gets to this point.

I just had a quick Google though about the 6 month cutoff and found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal_%28UK%29

Sounds like it has a few options that allow you to continue claiming JSA like taking on a subsidised job placement, doing some training.education or some voluntary/environmental work. Could be worth discussing with local centre.

what do you mean by 'accept what is on the table'? The job centre don't actually do the hiring and firing themselves.

DFWJane

I am in a similar situation to HannahIOW.

I resigned from my job of 13 years :eek: after having my 2nd child as the childcare fees would have been more than my salary and it was for too long a period for us to be able to afford it. I was allowed contributions based JSA but this will stop soon as I am not entitled to income based benefit. We are struggling badly and I am coming up with the same problem again and again - childcare. DH often gets called into work out of hours to fix things so I can't presume he will be available and we have no-one else.

I am going to go self employed - I had a meeting at JC+ and they couldn't think of any other solution either!

I'm booked into a pre-registration briefing for childminding and hope to make this a business (could lead to babysitting etc). I would also like to get qualified to work with pre-schoolers. I am going to do a regular car boot / ebay with children's clothes / toys etc that I will sell on a 50/50 basis for people and also things I will buy to sell. I have also looked into children's books and I may go back to Avon too.

It's very scary retraining after 20 years in 1 industry but a 9-5 will not fit in with my life now. I have needed to go outside the box and create my own opportunities.

rao_2

wishface wrote: »

what do you mean by 'accept what is on the table'? The job centre don't actually do the hiring and firing themselves.

What I mean is for example if you're looking to work in Design and nothing is out there 'on the table' (meaning out in the world of jobs available), you end up being expected to by the JSA to accept 'what is on the table' even if its not what you were searching for e.g. a retail job or whatever else you wouldn't normally pursue if you wre looking to do Design but still something you can turn your hand to.

As with that New Deal ran by the government aftet the JSA cutoff one of the options is 'take it or leave it' type subsidised job placement. You go for a bit of basic training stuff (basically telling you what you may or may not know). And then they offer you some options like re-training to do a different job whilst on JSA, doing volunteer work whilst on JSA or the 'whatevers on the table' subsidised job placement where I assume certain employers have opted into a programme where they take people on and the government provides them some incentive. But as in my first praragraph it may not be the area you're searching within.

Or you forget all that and go for self-employment like DFWJane, which I personally find more attractive though may not be to everyones liking. But I kind of already covered it by rattling on about work at home options, freelancing and the like in my links (and FreelanceSwitch.com which is a great free site for anyone thinking of making the switch to self-employment, no scammy "make it rich" ebooks in sight ). So I won't rattle anymore and take up this thread too much. But whatever it all comes down to I hope Hannah has good luck and wish you all the best in your pursuit.

wishface

rao wrote: »

What I mean is for example if you're looking to work in Design and nothing is out there 'on the table' (meaning out in the world of jobs available), you end up being expected to by the JSA to accept 'what is on the table' even if its not what you were searching for e.g. a retail job or whatever else you wouldn't normally pursue if you wre looking to do Design but still something you can turn your hand to.

As with that New Deal ran by the government aftet the JSA cutoff one of the options is 'take it or leave it' type subsidised job placement. You go for a bit of basic training stuff (basically telling you what you may or may not know). And then they offer you some options like re-training to do a different job whilst on JSA, doing volunteer work whilst on JSA or the 'whatevers on the table' subsidised job placement where I assume certain employers have opted into a programme where they take people on and the government provides them some incentive. But as in my first praragraph it may not be the area you're searching within.

Or you forget all that and go for self-employment like DFWJane, which I personally find more attractive though may not be to everyones liking. But I kind of already covered it by rattling on about work at home options, freelancing and the like in my links (and FreelanceSwitch.com which is a great free site for anyone thinking of making the switch to self-employment, no scammy "make it rich" ebooks in sight ). So I won't rattle anymore and take up this thread too much. But whatever it all comes down to I hope Hannah has good luck and wish you all the best in your pursuit.

i think your knowledge of new deal and how th job centre works is deeply flawed amd I think that link is of no use to anyone not versed in modern computer work/web design.

rao_2

wishface wrote: »

i think your knowledge of new deal and how th job centre works is deeply flawed amd I think that link is of no use to anyone not versed in modern computer work/web design.

The FreelanceSwitch site you mean? It is geared mostly for freelance designers yes but please don't let that put you off as its a pretty useful site like many others. The topics that freelance designers face can extend to other self-employed people and they sometimes cover other areas of expertise. Some general topics though would be how to find clients (offline/online), advertising yourself to gain clients, passive income ideas, keeping clients happy, dealing with taxes/invoicing/billing, dealing with non-paying clients, keeping productive when you're your own boss, organisation tips, taxes etc. But I was more referring to my previous links for stuff on MSE anyway backaways. The link to that site was a throaway comment I threw in at the end and not meant to de-reail the thread.

As for the JSA/NewDeal. I only just found the New Deal plan description today. So I am just copy/pasting what the government's outline says. I didn't add much to it other than a bit more about the first couple of weeks being for basic training based on someones experience I read. If there's something you know more, I would be interested hearing it as it could be useful for others here too. Like the OP/Hannah explaining how JSA works to them I started my explanation with "as far as I've been told" because like you say I don't know it all. You mentioned they don't hire/fire people and you're right, never said they did and if it seemed that way I appreciate you clearing that up. It would be more useful to say how what I and the original poster have been told is flawed. As it could help I and many others with a similar misunderstanding. And no I am not being sarcastic. And I am sorry if I've somehow offended you.