ex wants portion of child benefit

PlayingHardball

LOL Loopy - All true, well said, nail on the head.

siren13577

siren13577 wrote: »

The CB you should get is £132.80 for a four week period, this works out as £33.20 then divided by 7 days that works out as around £4.75 a day so two days would only work out as £9.50 a week, which for the eighty days is £380.

What is the eighty days? Is it how long since his baby was born? To be honest surely it's up to him if his circumstances change to get any benefits paid to him and his new partner. Don't forget that his new partner will and should be claiming CB for her child which should cushion the blow somewhat and if he's eligible the CTC will be more for the first year of the baby's life.

I wouldn't think that £9.50 a week would make much difference to his circumstances so you could offer him the monthly reduction on his maintenance which is £38 (which I know is a lot for a mum with two children) or you could point out how little it is, try to help see that he has the right benefits coming in, find out about his house sale, assuming no negative equity and adjust stuff accordingly, I know there is mediation available for people in your situation.

Legally, as it has been pointed out, only one person can claim CB so you don't have to do anything, especially as you as PWC have to pay for things like school trips etc.
Just be fair and honest with him and chances are he'll come round. Hopefully,
I hope this helps

As other posters have pointed out and something which I forgot to mention, you have already 'let him off' with £70 per month, this is more than adequate and adding that to the £33.20 that would leave you more than £100 worse off, stick to your guns, it's enough money to impact on you and your children. It is his responsibility to sort out any other children he has, not yours.
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Viper_7

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

Oooh sweeping statements left right and centre there eh? If by 'further education', you mean college then the PWC will get still the CTC and CB so should be able to still support the child.
If you mean Uni, then a child can't get CS from an NRP.

Of course the more logical amongst us would realise that if there are 2 wages in a household then it's easier to save than just having the one. You are of course, stupidly, assuming that EVERY single also gets CS.

And how much out of £20pw would you like 'put aside' for education.

Yet another do-gooder that has no idea what it's like to be a lone parent and wanders over here trying to tell people how THEIR, yes THEIR, money should be spent:rolleyes:

I pay nearly £600 a month. Then there is the Tax credits, then there is the CB.

I can guarantee you, she will be putting nothing aside for further education.

Also, I'm not assuming there are two incomes if the family is together - but it's a family money is saved, even from a single income. It is you making the assumptions.

not sweeping statements at all, statements based on experience. Trouble is you only hear the problems about the NRP not paying their dues. There are a damn sight more that do, and want to do more, but they get swept under the carpet and used as cash cows.

Oh, and it was "she" that did the dirty. It was "she" who is actually a crap mother.
It is "she" that all her now ex friends think she's a total cheat and used the system.
It's "she" who got a house out of me.

HER money pull the other one is got huge bells on it!!


and yes a child can get money from a NRP, Have a look at the news, Children have been suing the NRP for university costs.

not saying all NRP's are like this, but many many are and us fathers who really do give a damn about their children and their future get kicked again and again and again.

Can totally understand why some NRP's just don't want to go to work. What is the point!

Yes a personal comment but I see the same situation so often, it really does Stink!

and it also stinks that mothers don't get money from the father and haver to chase with the CSA etc etc. It's all bureaucratic rubbish and a farce from both perspectives.

pd001

Viper_7 wrote: »

Personally I think this is wrong, in that Child Benefit and even Child maintenance goes to the parent with care, there is nothing to stop that parents spending it on holidays (and please don't say it's for the sake of the child, as well all know it's not) and the like.
What happens when the child goes to further education? A Child within a marriage the parents usually set money aside, in this case the main carer very seldom saves any of it, and then guess what happens - yes the child leavered by the main carer then looks to sue the NRP for even more cash stating they have a responsibility to fund their further education!
So no, the NRP cannot make any claim for Child Benefit, but I think a portion of it should be saved for future education costs etc

NO WAY!
NOT EVER!
The PWC can use the CB however they wish and spend it how they want.

As for a child, within a marriage, taking further education and parents setting aside money to help in this respect, well......what a massive generalisation.
I wonder how often this actually happens? In a perfect family scenario maybe but how many perfect families are there?

A massive HMMMMMMMM is in order here and I have to agree with LG's comments

Viper_7

Then the UK Family life is totally and utterly fooked!

Everybody for themselves, it's all mine mine mine mine. I want, I take. Sod everybody else.

AnxiousMum

Viper_7 wrote: »

Personally I think this is wrong, in that Child Benefit and even Child maintenance goes to the parent with care, there is nothing to stop that parents spending it on holidays (and please don't say it's for the sake of the child, as well all know it's not) and the like.
What happens when the child goes to further education? A Child within a marriage the parents usually set money aside, in this case the main carer very seldom saves any of it, and then guess what happens - yes the child leavered by the main carer then looks to sue the NRP for even more cash stating they have a responsibility to fund their further education!


So no, the NRP cannot make any claim for Child Benefit, but I think a portion of it should be saved for future education costs etc

Well Viper - it doesn't always work like that. You also have the parents that when together, and the child was born, set up trust funds for them for various points in their life. We set up one for when they turned 18, and one for university. As the accounts are in Canada, my ex has control of them, and guess what? Neither child has received their 18th birthday accounts (which were set up by me, when they were born and I was the only one working, he was pretending to set up his own business with no income), and one at university - had to leave after second year due to not getting the finances he had relied upon from his parents via his father. I have another one who has just notified his father he won't be able to visit him in the summer, as he'll have to work for university monies, as the dad refuses to discuss the trust funds and provide balances etc. So, without the two kids actually taking their dad to court, reporting him for not cooperating with the Canadian rules of trust funds/minor accounts, they are short on what they've always known they've had coming to them. Neither one should have any student loans needed, yet their dad has a lovely new house, spoils his new daughter and druggie step son silly, hasn't paid child support in almost a year, has 'stolen' their trust funds (which I repeat, I paid into as I was the one working and earning a great income at the time).
We're not all money grubbers Viper, I would believe that the majority of us have the best interests of our children at heart. I personally cannot see my son going through medical school and having to work part time as well - it just won't be possible - but that's the position his father has left him in.
rant over....for now

To the OP - the child benefit is yours to use as you see fit. You are the custodial parent, and you know the needs of your child. He's already getting a break on the child support - I agree on asking him about how smooth the sale of his house went etc., and see what he says. If he couldn't afford another child, he should've thought about it.

Viper_7

Done the trust fund...seen it been emptied by the mother! The fund I paid into.

Been there done that too!

Everyone is ranting about this. I voiced my opinion that CB should go to the child. I know that obviously it needs to go to the parent with care, but there is no control on how it is used. That is the point I was making.
Generally though the fathers that don't pay up make it really hard for the mothers and it's totally wrong.
The fathers that do give a damn, get screwed over and bled dry. There never seems to be a happy medium.

kelloggs36

You can't control the PWC money however they get it. The PWC will be spending money on the child/ren by default, regardless of whether they allocate money from specific incomes. As for saving for the future, who is to say that they can afford to do so?

LizzieS_2

Viper_7 wrote: »

I pay nearly £600 a month. Then there is the Tax credits, then there is the CB.

I can guarantee you, she will be putting nothing aside for further education.

If she used the system as you state, she will not be working or living with a partner - she will not be getting £600pm plus income support, only £600pm plus tax credits and child benefit. That is hardly a huge amount to save for future education.

If she benefits the whole £600pm due to either working herself of having a working partner, her tc will be reduced.

There are pwc out there who spend on themselves only and leave nrps to pay for the childrens essentials above CS, but you have to realise that these are a minority - just as the nrps who go to great lengths to pay minimum amounts or nil.

Rare_3

All money that is given to the PWC via CM, TC, CB or whatever is to support that child/children. No one can tell the PWC how to breakdown that money. The state believes that it will be spent in the right areas for the best interest of the child/children.
We all know this isn't always going to be the case, as some NRP and PWC have their own issues, as many families breaking up do!

Its like a dole dosser spending their money on fags and beer... nothing we can do but to give them the money anyway. We can only hope they use the money wisely.

If you came to this forum to voice issues of your own, then whether your a NRP or PWC, chances are you've had problems.

My ex used to slag me off in front of my son in my absence. He never said anything at the time, but as he got older, little bits of info used to come to light..... They do remember and take it on board!!

So both mother and father... do what's best for the young ones!

Remember.. YOU might need them when your older for nursing home costs :rotfl:

Rare