Police impound? Insurance for transporting a motorcycle???

fraud_phish_spam_hater

My silly stepson has gone out on his new 125cc motorcycle before he's gotten it fully legal and got caught ! [idiot]

Now I know he deserves a good ticking off and will get a sizable fine/points etc, and I know he's learned his lesson.
The problem is he has no MOT, insurance and no CBT on his license! Now the bike has been impounded at a cost of £150 + £10/day storage. We only have 10 days to get it out or it will be crushed !!!
I can't see a way to get it out? I don't think I can even pick it up in a van as I would need some kind of special insurance to retrieve vehicles from an impound.
I hold a full drivers liscence but would need a CBT to ride the bike out myself.
How can I get it out of the pound for him??:wall:

*MF*

Hi ... got a friend who has a van, or even a friend of a friend who has a van? If not, can you afford a short term van hire, and either way simply put the bike in the back of the van to get it home?

lisyloo

as I would need some kind of special insurance to retrieve vehicles from an impound

What type of insurance is this? (never heard of it).
Can you purchase it?

Alternatively you could book it in for an MOT and let someone with a full motorcycle licence (and 3rd party insurance) ride it for you.
I believe you can ride it without MOT to an MOT test.

Oscar_The_Grouch

Most insurance companies now put a clause on their certificates that states "Not to be used to release any vehicle other that the registration number above". This is to prevent you having "a mate" who will drive your vehicle out of a police compound, just so you can drive it again without insurance.

If the police want to see evidence of insurance before they are willing to release the bike, the best thing you could do is get your stepson to give the bike to you and complete the registration document to show this. Then you take out insurance in your name, book it in for a new MOT and hire a van. You don't need to have the CBT to take out the insurance; you just have to hold a CBT to ride the bike!!

Drop the bike off for its MOT rather than taking it home. Once it's passed the test, flog it; your stepson will need the money to pay his fine and is likely to lose his licence anyway!

Oscar_The_Grouch

One other thing: Please remind your stepson that he will have to declare any driving ban and fine for the next 5 years for ANY motor insurance he wants to take out. This includes for cars as well as bikes. He'll also have to let any driving school know about the offence before taking lessons with them (CBT, bike riding and car). If they decide to take him on, they'll probably charge him more per lesson as he will be considered a "risk".

Motor insurance is expensive enough for youngsters. Assuming your stepson is 17 at present, he's going to be paying considerably more than his mates for insurance until he's 22. DON'T add him to your car insurance!!!

dacouch

Oscar you will find most (Not all) motorcycles will require a current CBT to be held if you want motorcycle insurance

lisyloo

I would suggest searching on google for local bike clubs.
Bikers are a friendly lot and someone may be able to help with a van.
In fact someone in your area probably has all the bungees, ratchets etc. already set up for their track bike.

fraud_phish_spam_hater

The bike has only recently changed hands and the new registration document has not yet arrived. So I won't have ANY form of ownership documentation if I take ownership of the bike. (Divboy has even managed to lose his new keeper supplement !)
The paperwork says I would require a valid driving licence, valid insurance and proof of ownership but no information about transporting the bike in the car? Surely I don't require anything but proof of ownership to cart it off in my boot and store it in my garage until I can sell it or Divboy gets himself sorted out?
Problem is, I'm sure I read that I would need the insurance for my car to include specific cover to remove a vehicle from a police impound. or did I read that wrong?

Oscar_The_Grouch

When they say you need valid insurance, they mean for the bike; not your car. They will not let you take the bike out of their compound without first showing them that the bike is insured and that the person who is taking control of it is allowed to use it on the road as a vehicle.

If Dacouch is right (and he is most of the time), you're not going to get insurance without "Divboy" passing his CBT. Your best bet would be to follow Lisyloo's advice and see if there is a local bike club that can help you. Speaking to your local driving instructor (for bikes) may help - they will probably have contact with someone who could at least show valid insurance.

As for proof of ownership, do you not have a receipt for the bike? If not, GET ONE!!! Either that or get the person who previously owned the bike to do you a favour and come with you to confirm the change of ownership.

You can skip this part if you want, because this is the lecture...

You may want to explain to your stepson that the reason for insurance is not so that his bike is covered, but so that if he causes damage to anyone else, THEY are covered. What if he'd lost control of the bike and collided with a pedestrian? How the hell was he going to pay them compensation for their injuries?

The CBT is there to teach idiots on little bikes how to ride safely. Did it even cross his mind not only how you would feel if he got himself killed, but how it could have affected anyone he had a collision with? How would they have felt knowing they were driving when your son lost his life, even if they weren't to blame for the accident?

Finally, the MOT is there to test the basic safety of the bike. How did it get into his hands without a valid MOT? Surely the best thing to have done would have been to buy the bike and take it straight round to a testing centre either on a trailer or in the back of the car?? Who let him buy a potential deathtrap without having it tested first??

Rant over....

fraud_phish_spam_hater

Oscar_The_Grouch wrote: »

When they say you need valid insurance, they mean for the bike; not your car. They will not let you take the bike out of their compound without first showing them that the bike is insured and that the person who is taking control of it is allowed to use it on the road as a vehicle.

If Dacouch is right (and he is most of the time), you're not going to get insurance without "Divboy" passing his CBT. Your best bet would be to follow Lisyloo's advice and see if there is a local bike club that can help you. Speaking to your local driving instructor (for bikes) may help - they will probably have contact with someone who could at least show valid insurance.

As for proof of ownership, do you not have a receipt for the bike? If not, GET ONE!!! Either that or get the person who previously owned the bike to do you a favour and come with you to confirm the change of ownership.

You can skip this part if you want, because this is the lecture...

You may want to explain to your stepson that the reason for insurance is not so that his bike is covered, but so that if he causes damage to anyone else, THEY are covered. What if he'd lost control of the bike and collided with a pedestrian? How the hell was he going to pay them compensation for their injuries?

The CBT is there to teach idiots on little bikes how to ride safely. Did it even cross his mind not only how you would feel if he got himself killed, but how it could have affected anyone he had a collision with? How would they have felt knowing they were driving when your son lost his life, even if they weren't to blame for the accident?

Finally, the MOT is there to test the basic safety of the bike. How did it get into his hands without a valid MOT? Surely the best thing to have done would have been to buy the bike and take it straight round to a testing centre either on a trailer or in the back of the car?? Who let him buy a potential deathtrap without having it tested first??

Rant over....

Your "rant" is similar to the one I had at him when I found out. He's 22 and does not live with us so no one "LET" him get into this situation, it's all down to him.
Thank you to everyone for the advice, I'll see what can be done in the short time available.

sophieschoice

fraud_phish_spam_hater wrote: »

My silly stepson has gone out on his new 125cc motorcycle before he's gotten it fully legal and got caught ! [idiot]

Now I know he deserves a good ticking off and will get a sizable fine/points etc, and I know he's learned his lesson.

To be completely honest (and a bit blunt) I'd have no qualms about letting his bike be crushed. Then he will have learned his lesson for sure.
I also wouldn't be running around (like you are) to sort things out for him.
I accidentally pressed the 'thanks' button instead of the 'quote' one on your 1st post!