help. Xmas do... suspected of doing DRUGS!!!!!!

clearing_out_my_pockets

u264047 wrote: »

no, noone heard any of the supposedly threating and verbally abusive conversation I had with him, although people have stated that I was invading his space and talking very close to him...

Truth is, it was a very loud bar, I had to speak close to be heard, and the whole time he was resting with his elbow on the bar as casual as shorts and flip flops.

Nope - took place at the bar. The initial accusation of drug taking was in the toilet. The accused aggression was later.

robredz

clearing_out_my_pockets wrote: »

Nope - took place at the bar. The initial accusation of drug taking was in the toilet. The accused aggression was later.[/Q

So may have been on CCTV, no sound though probably,If there was anything it would depend on the data retention policy as to whether footage still existed by now. Problem is CCTV is not the panacea for all ills that joe public is led to believe, and any footage may be of no use to OP or manager..

u264047

They can only hand over such tapes to the police. I checked ages ago.

bristol_pilot

OP, I believe they will dismiss you regardless. Can't guess whether in your absence or not. Get cracking on the lawyer and the scientific proof that you have not taken drugs and get the latter to HR before they dismiss. I agree with other recent posters - relaxation must not mean inaction. Good luck.

bristol_pilot

I checked my own Company's drug and alcohol policy today. A single instance of possession or use of Class A is Gross Misconduct, even during non-Company time (and even if prior to being employed by the Company in the first place). This is unlike the treatment of Class B or alcohol, which is treated as a welfare issue. If the OP's Company's policy is the same, there is no mileage in the 'not during Company time' argument in respect of the alleged drug-taking, although may be still relevant for conduct allegations.

u264047

All fine but i'm not arguing that I took drugs outside of work time, therefore it doesn't matter. I am arguing that I DID NOT TAKE DRUGS.

Doesn't matter what class it is, I have not been fingered for taking any specific drug. Just drug use in general.

bristol_pilot

u264047 wrote: »

All fine but i'm not arguing that I took drugs outside of work time, therefore it doesn't matter. I am arguing that I DID NOT TAKE DRUGS.

Good. The 'not in Company time' argument was something proposed by other posters that I was concerned about.

u264047 wrote: »

Doesn't matter what class it is, I have not been fingered for taking any specific drug. Just drug use in general.

I understood that cocaine had been specifically mentioned in a witness statement, is that not correct? It matters a great deal to your reputation whether it is Class A or not. (If this were a police investigation, it would be a warning vs up to 7 years jail).

Nixer

I've often wondered if it counts as gross misconduct if you take drugs somewhere where they are legal/decriminalised and your company somehow finds out.

OP no advice, but I hope it works out. It sounds like you're better off out of there, if you can get a good reference and maybe some money that would be a good outcome. I worked for a horrendous company (nothing like your situation though) and went off sick from stress and thought I wouldn't be able to get another job and it all worked out in the end. That was 7 years ago. Chin up.

firesidemaid

just to save me going back through half you thread again, what are the written allegation/s for your current disciplinary procedure?

i do agree with D/D re. being prepared - never trust anyone. anything in writing always helps by its content or even absence of content, especially in response to a specific enquiry.

have you received the disciplinary policy yet? you need to read the contents from start to finish to ensure they have adhered to it (or not). if, for example, the policy states that as part of the procedure a, b and c will happen and it hasn't then this may be useful.

when i helped a friend with their case, we always knew he was going to be dismissed - we then successfully appealeddue to the unfair procedure. he chose for a transfer in that case.

DirectDebacle

Post 67 page 4.

My letter of suspension states that I am supended on full pay in relation to
i) Use of drug substances
ii)Sustained threatening behavior(sic) and verbal abuse towards XXXXX, UK Sales Manager.

No. 1 is a bit of a catch all. Could relate to illegal, prescription or over the counter drugs. Needs to be more specific.