help. Xmas do... suspected of doing DRUGS!!!!!!

ckerrd

pitkin2020 wrote: »

op doesnt go back to work till 4th jan (factory reopens) so will be adter that date

Thank you for that - will check back after then to see what has happened.

If it was me I would have organised blood tests and peeing into bottles for the docs to check me out.

ianian99

poet123 wrote: »

Having an opposing viewpoint, and even expressing it badly/uncompromisingly does not necessarily make him a troll. Tbh I dislike the way that term is bandied about on here as the ultimate refuge of those who cannot be bothered to debate, or those who don't like the style in which another poster debates, or simply those who don't like plain speaking.

I agree that the poster in question sometimes crosses the line into open hostility, but even that does not make him a troll if he believes what he writes is/could be true. Resorting to name calling will not make him behave any better, nor insult any less, and returning the compliment does not further the debate.

Returning to the OP, I don't think the situation is as clear cut as many would have us think by their answers. Yes, there are procedures to be followed, but the outcome will be determined not by procedure, but by those who enact those procedures, and how they view the OP and his past performance/behaviour within the company.

Put bluntly, those you step on, on the way up, have a habit of stepping on you when you are down. Maybe Annihilator put that point (and others) less politely than I have done, but in essence his message was the same.

I too am being called a troll on this thread and having my posts deleted, not for abuse but just for having different opinion to the majority in this thread.
One of the post was simply asking why the op felt the need to tell his manager that he wasnt a drug addict and swore on his mums life and even felt the need to tell the manager that he also could n't be a drug addict as his wife was chinese and they saved up every penny to visit her parents in china and that his wife scrutinises every penny that they spentr so in no way could be a druggie. Why the heck would you tell someone all that after they accuse you of sniffing coke? I said that a coke head WOULD although I also said I was not calling the OP a coke head.
Also I pointed out that snorting coke sounds a LOT different to someone having the sniffles due to the cold.
I also pointed to the OP's first thread on this forum that he states he has previous conviction for violence and in my opinion this has relevance as op's been accused also of threatening behaviour.
Thing is everyone apart from myself and one or two others seem to be blinkered on this subject and wont listen to any comment unless it backs up the op or slags of his manager.
How many people in this thread actually know anything about cocaine use/abuse or addiction. I mean proper erxperience and not just what they have seen on the Frank web site or read in the daily mail? Very few I'd bet.
Lets see if this gets deleted

DVardysShadow

ianian99 wrote: »

I too am being called a troll on this thread and having my posts deleted, not for abuse but just for having different opinion to the majority in this thread.

To be truthful, there is more to it than just disagreeing with the majority. Personally, I welcome disagreement on threads, but I don't welcome what you choose to put in.

poet123

DVardysShadow wrote: »

To be truthful, there is more to it than just disagreeing with the majority. Personally, I welcome disagreement on threads, but I don't welcome what you choose to put in.

To be fair, some of what this poster has stated may be unpalatable, but he too is an outside observer, and if he takes this tack the chances are many/some others would view this similarly. These may include those the OP has todeal with regarding this incident, so again he is flagging up for discussion issues which may be pertinent.

There may also be many reading the thread who are wary of saying the same thing even though they are thinking it. To deny others the opportunity to voice their sincerely held opinions even if we disagree vehemently with their coinclusions or inferences, is not really doing the OP a service.

He is correct in my case about direct experience in this field, I have never heard anyone snort Cocaine, so cannot truthfullly say whether it sounds like a sniffle. He also sounds as if he has personal experience of those who takle drugs and their excuses, again I don't have much experience in this area, so maybe he is better placed to read into the OP's comments.

I would disagree that trying to justfy why he could not be a drug user points to the OP being that very thing......the shock of being wrongfully accused would make me do the same I suspect.

rupee99

The actual facts of the matter will only be known to the participants and then clouded by time and their state when it happenned, e.g. the amount of alcohol they had consumed.

There are some who support the OP, there are others who think he may protest too much.

If this does come to anything, which I personally doubt it will, each side will have to put its case and adduce such evidence and witnesses they have. It may then come before an Industrial Tribunal. At that stage anyone tempted to lie may be swayed by the prospect of committing perjury or may take a very casual attitude to the oath/affirmation.

None of us know, with the exception of the OP, anything like the full circumstances and can only post our views and/or opinions biased by our own perspective on the matter. It does not mean supporters of the OP are wrong any more than those who think he may be "guilty," we simply do not have sufficient information.

The purpose of a comment on this thread is not as a quasi vote on a jury, it should be an explanation of procedures and the process and what the OP can do to mount a proper defence should the need arise.

DCFC79

ckerrd wrote: »

Thank you for that - will check back after then to see what has happened.

If it was me I would have organised blood tests and peeing into bottles for the docs to check me out.

same but he left it a bit late i believe

Savvy_Sue

viclspence wrote: »

What utter trivel. In my company, i am the only person that can do my job, fact, that's because i've made it my job and no one else really knows what i do. Parts of the job could be given to other people, but the whole job can only be done by me so bits wouldn't be done satisfactorily and the office would end up in a mess very quickly.

If I were your manager, I'd be asking for your "falling under a bus" plan, ie what would the company need to know if you fell under a bus tomorrow? IMO every organisation should have a bus plan for every key member of staff.

OP, you may think it would cause your employer and especially your manager serious inconvenience if you were dismissed for Gross Misconduct. However, never think that it therefore couldn't happen to you.

Otherwise key staff might think they could get away with anything because they are indispensable. And clearly, no-one is.

pitkin2020

Savvy_Sue wrote: »

If I were your manager, I'd be asking for your "falling under a bus" plan, ie what would the company need to know if you fell under a bus tomorrow? IMO every organisation should have a bus plan for every key member of staff.

OP, you may think it would cause your employer and especially your manager serious inconvenience if you were dismissed for Gross Misconduct. However, never think that it therefore couldn't happen to you.

Otherwise key staff might think they could get away with anything because they are indispensable. And clearly, no-one is.

like i said savvy sue, no one is ever indispensible but the boss and thats only because they make the rules, in reality the boss tends to be the most dispensible lmao

HunnyBunny

Zazen999 wrote: »

To be fair; Alcohol is a drug and he was drunk at the time.

I've never actually though of alcohol as a drug until now.

blue_monkey_2

HunnyBunny wrote: »

I've never actually though of alcohol as a drug until now.

And if that was the case the manager was drunk as well wasn't he?