Can some one help me with a pro rata calculation?

SueC_2

39 hours per week doesn't divide equally between 5 days, so my guess is there's a practice whereby everyone finishes an hour early once a week, or accrues an hour per week towards a lieu day or something. I've known both to happen. In either case, we don't know how it's handled for part-time employees, and we don't know whether they are paid for their lunch breaks or not, so we can't be absolutely precise about what the pay will be. But, hopefully, knowing it is somewhere between £10300 and £10800 is enough information for Sassers to be going on with.

Sassers - if you ever find out exactly how they do calculate it, I'd be interested to know.

Savy_3

Sorry to be such a pedant on this Sue but it is actually irrelevant whether full-time employees accrue leave, get paid overtime or leave early for how this affects a part time employee.

A part time employee's hours are always pro-rated as a percentage of the full time eqivalency (FTE). Its incorrect to do it via days for the exact reason you point out - even full-time workers may not work even hours each day. You have to pay them as a percentage of the time they work, not a percentage of the days they work.

A 39 hour week does actually split evenly at 7 hours and 48 mins per day. Might sound like an odd time, but I was once contracted to 7 hours and 12 mins each day (36 hour week).

Sorry again for being such a pedant especially as you were being helpful to the OP.

surreysaver

SueC wrote: »

39 hours per week doesn't divide equally between 5 days

Yes it does. 7 hours 48 minutes per day. I've had a job where I worked this. I've also worked a 37 hour week, with 7h24 days. Not every job involves working whole hours only!

amanda40

I just worked it out by taking the full time rate , dividing by 52 ( weeks) then dividing by 37 (hours)then multiplying by 15 the hours you would do ( not including paid lunch) That is how my part time wages are worked out although it can difer slightly if the full time person is paid 42 hours a week including lunch

dmg24

surreysaver wrote: »

Yes it does. 7 hours 48 minutes per day. I've had a job where I worked this. I've also worked a 37 hour week, with 7h24 days. Not every job involves working whole hours only!

This is very common in the public sector.

Pete111

Sue C is correct but several postsers are over-complicating things.

Ignore the hours, lunch breaks etc. It's a two day part time week where a 'normal' week is 5 days so you need 2/5ths of the salary and thats it.

£27000 / 5 *2 = £10,800. Simples.

Oh and ignore Annihilator too, he's not worth wasting electricity on.

liney

Pete111 wrote: »

Sue C is correct but several postsers are over-complicating things.

Ignore the hours, lunch breaks etc. It's a two day part time week where a 'normal' week is 5 days so you need 2/5ths of the salary and thats it.

£27000 / 5 *2 = £10,800. Simples.

Oh and ignore Annihilator too, he's not worth wasting electricity on.

Sorry but that doesn't add up.

The full time week is 39 hours over 5 days, yes, BUT the hours the OP will be going are 8 x hours per day over 5 days which is 40 hours, or 37.5 hours if breaks are removed, so either the Op isn't doing the same daily hours as everyone else, or most likely they finish early on a friday, so therefore you can't simply do a 2/5ths calculation because you are not comparing like for like.

The calculation cannot be accurate regardless because we don't know if the breaks are paid or unpaid.

The correct way to do the calculation is to take part time hours (16) by the full time (39) to deduce the % of hours being worked 41.02%. 27K*0.41 = £11075. That is assuming that all breaks are paid for.

Pete111

liney wrote: »

Sorry but that doesn't add up.

The full time week is 39 hours over 5 days, yes, BUT the hours the OP will be going are 8 x hours per day over 5 days which is 40 hours, or 37.5 hours if breaks are removed, so either the Op isn't doing the same daily hours as everyone else, or most likely they finish early on a friday, so therefore you can't simply do a 2/5ths calculation because you are not comparing like for like.

The calculation cannot be accurate regardless because we don't know if the breaks are paid or unpaid.

The correct way to do the calculation is to take part time hours (16) by the full time (39) to deduce the % of hours being worked 41.02%. 27K*0.41 = £11075. That is assuming that all breaks are paid for.

And yet...

...I can bet you my way is how they will do it.

Your way madness lies.

liney

Pro Rata means "in proportion". Your way is not in proportion, and i would argue is unfair treatment of part time workers, because assuming there is a 4pm finish on a Friday any part timer working that day will be paid the same as the others working an hour more, so i'd say that your way a bigger issue would raise it's head.

SueC_2

Savy wrote: »

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A 39 hour week does actually split evenly at 7 hours and 48 mins per day. Might sound like an odd time, but I was once contracted to 7 hours and 12 mins each day (36 hour week).

In which case, working out the pro-rata rate as two fifths of the full-time rate would be completely correct.

Truth is, none of us know exactly what hours the OP will be paid for, as we don't know whether or not their breaks are paid. We know that the full-time rate is for 39 hours, but again we don't know whether that includes or excludes breaks.

We've come up with a variety of answers based on these variables, and presumably the OP is happy with this, as they now seem to have bowed out of this debate!