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Why do we hate Unions? Look at BA...

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  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    nearlynew wrote: »
    But what you or I think of the issue is immaterial.

    It is for the workers to decide on what issues they are prepared to strike.

    All 92.5% of them, not exactly a marginal vote icon7.gif
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • nearlynew
    nearlynew Posts: 3,800 Forumite
    Afriend wrote: »
    So if farmers go on strike, you have nothing to eat, and you starve to death as a result.
    It's o.k. because they decided to strike and it was their decision?
    QED.

    That's a rather cr4p analogy if you don't mind me saying.


    Owners of the means of production don't go on strike for starters.
    "The problem with quotes on the internet is that you never know whether they are genuine or not" -
    Albert Einstein
  • SingleSue
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    Well if it was me booked on a flight with BA at the time of this strike, they would def not get my service ever again.

    I dare say that others who have got flights booked will feel the same...ergo, it could well be the death knell of BA.

    Oh and their jobs.
    We made it! All three boys have graduated, it's been hard work but it shows there is a possibility of a chance of normal (ish) life after a diagnosis (or two) of ASD. It's not been the easiest route but I am so glad I ignored everything and everyone and did my own therapies with them.
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  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    Afriend wrote: »
    I'll try an examle that you might understand. ;)

    If farmers go on strike, you have nothing to eat, and you starve to death as a result.
    It's o.k. because they decided to strike and it was their decision?

    QED.

    Surely if we are about to starve we will raid their farms for some freebies.
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Cleaver
    Cleaver Posts: 6,989 Forumite
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    edited 14 December 2009 at 7:37PM
    nearlynew wrote: »
    But what you or I think of the issue is immaterial. It is for the workers to decide on what issues they are prepared to strike.
    Mr.Brown wrote: »
    If only these people would strike only when we sympathise with them, and certainly not when we might need to use an airline. I am being gently sarcastic to make a point which I am not sure I agree with.

    Well, maybe I just see this issue differently to everyone else.

    I think it's generally a good thing that workers can have a powerful body that can protect and support them when dealing with organisations that can treat them unfairly. This support takes the form of advice and guidance, someone to ensure you're treated fairly in disputes and then strike action where required (i.e. as a last resort).

    In principle, I support the above.

    However, as strikes are then called I can quite happily make a judgement call about whether they are justified or not. Thus supporting someone's right to strike, but maybe not supporting them when they do.

    Maybe you're both right to be honest. Ahh, the fun of debate. I just can't get my head around earning £35k as cabin crew, working for an organisation that is losing money yet giving me a payrise, is only cutting the staff on flights by 1 out of 16 to save money, the rest of the workforce have already taken paycuts and then thinking to myself "this is so bad I need to strike". 92% of the workforce felt this way though, so maybe I'm out of touch.
  • chucky
    chucky Posts: 15,170 Forumite
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    Afriend wrote: »
    I'll try an examle that you might understand. ;)

    If farmers go on strike, you have nothing to eat, and you starve to death as a result.
    It's o.k. because they decided to strike and it was their decision?

    QED.
    it doesn't look that he understood your analogy very well :rolleyes:
  • StevieJ wrote: »
    Surely if we are about to starve we will raid their farms for some freebies.

    Like in Zimbabwe? Worked well there apparently :j
  • Mr.Brown_4
    Mr.Brown_4 Posts: 1,109 Forumite
    Cleaver wrote: »
    Well, maybe I just see this issue differently to everyone else.
    No, no - I actually agree with you. But it wouldn't be much of a forum if I just posted "yeah Cleaves you're right as usual".

    Now I've gone and 'wasted' a post - unlike all the others which were really useful.
  • The only industries where striking should be permitted is where it does not impact on vital services and where there is also a monopoly on employment from a single employer - ie you can't go anywhere else and ply your trade because there is nobody else. BA staff won't go anywhere else because they are in virtual luxury earning a fortune for a low skilled job that from the job requirements posted here before, 95% of the working population would be able to do.
  • nearlynew
    nearlynew Posts: 3,800 Forumite
    I agree with you cleaver that they seem overpaid for what is essentially unskilled work.
    Glorified waitresses if you like.

    In this economic climate I'd be inclined to keep my head down and mouth shut and not draw attention to the fact.

    My point, which I think you understand, is that regardless of the stupidity of their union's actions, it is important that they retain the right to strike.
    "The problem with quotes on the internet is that you never know whether they are genuine or not" -
    Albert Einstein
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