Are all low paid jobs like this??

donnajunkie

adg1 wrote: »

If you're refering back to my post I wasn't implying incompetence, its just the ol' chap had a certain way with words.

You can always write it thus: 'you will be promoted as far as your skillset will allow'. Sounds like a fortune cookie now!

i wasnt really refering to anything you said. looking back their is a hint of the assumption that if you work hard you will get your promotion. it doesnt always work like that and sometimes there just isnt the opportunity. so i guess if you are assuming they arent working hard or that they arent doing a good enough job then that is wrong. i am not sure if you are saying that anyway.

viktory

nirelandguy wrote: »

Only get statutory sick pay (IE don't get paid for the first 3 days sickness)
No pension
No annual pay rise
Little chance of an actual pay rise
Minimum holidays allowed by law
No Christmas bonus/party
Little chance of promotion
Hard work isn't rewarded only sucking up gets you places
Overtime paid at regular rate.

No, there are worse jobs. All of the above applies to my husband's job but he gets NO pay for overtime (and therefore doesn't do any), works in atrocious conditions - but always just inside the law. He works from 7am - noon without a break, then gets a 45 minutes lunch break (unpaid). In the afternoon he works from 12.45 - 16:45 with no break.

We are both looking for something else but no joy at the moment.

liney

donnajunkie wrote: »

thats a sweeping statement to say all manufacturing/shop floor work is unskilled. the job i am trained for requires a 4 year apprenticeship and that is manufacturing/shop floor.

That will be why i said "Unskilled manual work", not Semi-skilled or Skilled.

I'd be interested to know what level of carpentry we are talking about here anyway. Skilled, trained carpenters earn good money. People who do manufacturing work that happens to be with wood are not automatically Carpenters/Joiners.

adg1

donnajunkie wrote: »

so i guess if you are assuming they arent working hard or that they arent doing a good enough job then that is wrong.

Not at all. Just that, if OP wants to progress he needs to come out of his box a little and make himself the face management recognise.

System

If I have such a big choice of jobs why when I left school at 16 did I go into carpentry when woodwork was the only subject I failed? That should say something, it would also explain why my wage is so low, because the place is coming down with carpenters/joiners/builders IE supply and demand, it would also explain why unemployment went up 200% in June making it number 1 in the entire UK for having the sharpest rise in unemployment.

For the benefit of this thread I will define what I mean by carpentry - Carpentry = manufacturing tables/chairs/dressers/wardrobes/cabinets etc etc

Chinkle

Some companies work to the letter of the law in terms of job entitlements, some go beyond and offer some nice benefits some backstreet operations flout everything!

As others have said here people will rise to their natural level within their working lives, for some that means from shop floor to boardroom, for others they stick on the same rung all their lives. Nothing wrong with either it's just about different motivations. But if you are in the latter category you can pretty much expect that your job conditions will stay the same or thereabouts. Therefore the only difference than can be made is by switching to a more generous employer (not easy in these times, as everyone is cutting back).

The OP says they don't want a supervisor/managerial role so unless they branch out on their own then what more can they expect? What employer would give you more if you're not giving them anything more?

patman99

Anihilator wrote: »

Yes but actions speak louder than words.

Committed able employees are not in entry level positions for 14 years without major faults.

I've worked for my employers for 16 years, and have a skilled job. I have been turned-down for promotion twice, both times to people with less than 18 months employment within the company.

The last time, the lucky appliccant was promoted ONLY because he was a lazy bstard and was the easiest of us to replace as his job only took 3 hours to train-up to do.

I have since come to realise that the way to promotion is through doing sod-all, having loads of time-off sick & getting at least 2 verbal & 1 written warning. This is garantteed to get you promoted.


BTW, if anyone knows of anyone looking for a press brake setter/operator with 8 years experiance on Gasparini, Axe and Status, and Carter presses, then please pm me.

ganonman

If all these lazy people who are rubbish at their jobs are being promoted, then copy them.

Show ambition, if you see opportunity, and what sort of people are winning, copy them (if you can).

It may go against your morals, or what you think is right. But, they are the ones laughing with what you presume to be a better job than you.

I got made redundant from an £8 ph job recently, and have just started a £6 ph job, out of choice, because I think this particular company has more potential to improve my skillset and get me further in future. (Also, I know I won't get stuck in a rut at £6 ph, I can't afford to) :rolleyes:

System

ganonman wrote: »

If all these lazy people who are rubbish at their jobs are being promoted, then copy them.

Show ambition, if you see opportunity, and what sort of people are winning, copy them (if you can).

It may go against your morals, or what you think is right. But, they are the ones laughing with what you presume to be a better job than you.

I got made redundant from an £8 ph job recently, and have just started a £6 ph job, out of choice, because I think this particular company has more potential to improve my skillset and get me further in future. (Also, I know I won't get stuck in a rut at £6 ph, I can't afford to) :rolleyes:

Thats another good point, before you join a company is there anyway of knowing what way it will turn out?

Like you, I'd rather have a £6 job with a chance of getting somewhere, than an £8 job with no chance.

ceridwen

,,,and one thing that the "have a go" merchants need to remember is that some of what OP is complaining about re his job is nothing whatsoever to do with him personally, ie:

- no pension
- no annual payrise
- minimum amount of holiday the law allows
- overtime at statutory rate

All those factors are wrong - no matter which employer does them and there would appear to be many employers like it. Having such working conditions is no reflection whatsoever on those poor employees who have to put up with those conditions. Its not that easy to find another job when there are many other employers that bad - its not like its just one isolated bad employer and all others available are decent ones. Theres a lot of the barstewards around.