Is MS Xbox live breaking the sales of good act when they Ban an Xbox 360?

DCFC79

When you buy an xbox you agree to certain terms and conditions and 1 of them says that you cant modify the console in anyway and if you do then xbox have the right to ban you.

smcaul

DCFC79 wrote: »

When you buy an xbox you agree to certain terms and conditions and 1 of them says that you cant modify the console in anyway and if you do then xbox have the right to ban you.

No you don't, mine never came with anything like that - either before the sale, on the box or inside before you could switch the Xbox on.

There may be certain T&C's that you agree to when using Xbox Live, but there were certainly no pre-requisites that you needed to agree to before purchasing an Xbox.

vyle

MrsBartolozzi wrote: »

Sweetstudent, it's not just modification or piracy that can lead to an xbox being banned.
My sons were caught "cheating" on Halo 3. DS1 was playing badly to let DS2 win and then go up in levels, this is considered cheating. If I was playing using either DS's account I would be cheating then cos I'd lose most games!!Bungie sent them both messages saying that they had done something to contravene the rules and they were banned from the game for I think, 2 weeks.
Now, I told them it was a lesson to learn and not to do it again, but there was no recourse, no finding out exactly what their crime was: the bungie site says all bans are automated and usually right so we were stuffed.
I know there are levels of ban from Halo specifically, 2 weeks, 1 month, an IP ban - now this one would really pee me off as both the boys use the same router and so share an IP address, why should one be punished unfairly for another's crime?
Now my examples are only related to one game, but while dealing with M$ concerning a hijacked XBL account, I was told that M$ is right and they wouldn't do anything wrong to someone's Xbox. Hmm. The fact that they will not enter into any conversation about the bans , shows that it must be unfair.

Im confused as to how this could work.

Were they playing local multiplayer on the same xbox?

Or were they using separate consoles and playing each other over network play?

daz2712

smcaul wrote: »

No you don't, mine never came with anything like that - either before the sale, on the box or inside before you could switch the Xbox on.

There may be certain T&C's that you agree to when using Xbox Live, but there were certainly no pre-requisites that you needed to agree to before purchasing an Xbox.

Exactly.
Live is an extra purchase that you obviously agree to when signing up. When you pay your money and buy an xbox,then it is yours. You pay for the basic console and nothing more. That is a contract between yourself and the retailer.
If you choose to subscribe extra to the Live service then so be it. That shouldn't interfere with your above contract for a basic console. Now if you are banned from Live,you should be banned from Live and nothing more,but MS are deliberately modifying consoles from their original specs. They are altering the basic functionality of the console,for which you actually own.

el_gringo_3

vyle wrote: »

Im confused as to how this could work.

Were they playing local multiplayer on the same xbox?

Or were they using separate consoles and playing each other over network play?

Whilst I've never owned an xbox and don't know the ins and outs of its local multiplayer option, I'm guessing by the OP stating that they both use the same router that theres two seperate boxes using two seperate accounts over the xbox server, rather than a single xbox or two linked xboxes playing offline.

DaveMurphy

daz2712 wrote: »

Its quite ironic that they ban from Xbox Live for modifying your console then they do another form of modification on it to prevent you using it in the way it was meant to be used when purchased.
Destroying the original functionality of the hard drive is not acceptable as the console banning from Live should be sufficient.

This sounds like a fair point until you realise that what they're doing is preventing pirates from playing games they haven't paid for.

I do still think it's well over the top, really they have names & addresses from the XBL subscription so they could probably quite easily have these users prosecuted. It's unlikely that court costs would ever be recovered so I guess they're attempting to save money.

Pretty sure there are laws against going to a burglar's house & recovering stolen property though ( assuming you're not a member of the police with a warrant) so I imagine that this action is probably illegal.

vyle

el_gringo wrote: »

Whilst I've never owned an xbox and don't know the ins and outs of its local multiplayer option, I'm guessing by the OP stating that they both use the same router that theres two seperate boxes using two seperate accounts over the xbox server, rather than a single xbox or two linked xboxes playing offline.

With local multiplayer, it's 2 gamertags on one xbox, which is fine (it's designed so people can do that).

Now, if they were just playing locally (not connected to the internet) there would be no way/reason to ban them.

If they were playing a ranked online match (for which both people would have to have gold accounts) and one was just standing around letting the other player from the same IP address wail on him to easily get the win over the other players too, I can see why the ban was administered.

But it seems a bit suspicious without more information.