Is MS Xbox live breaking the sales of good act when they Ban an Xbox 360?

Nuts24

Yes, but MS are not cutting you off they are changing how the Xbox works by stopping it from working on live & changing how the hard drive works. Now when I signed up to Xbox live I know I did not say they could stop my hard drive from working correctly. Also its not the fact that MS are banning people thats the problem. Its how they do it & don't tell you why they have banned you. So if you was to go out a buy a new Xbox 360 you could get banned again. By banning you & just sending a list of things that you may of done wrong to get the ban is not good. There are lots of people out there that have read these list from top to bottom & from bottom to top & still don't know what they have done wrong & when they ask MS Xbox live they say they can not tell them why, can not help them & will not recheck to see if they made an error.

If you went to your car & found it missing & you was giving a letter saying you may have done one of the following 1: *******, 2:*******, 3:*********, 4:*******, 5:******* & 6:******. because of this you can no longer have you car, would you be happy with that? I don't think so & what MS are doing is the same.

Anihilator

Firstly the SOGA doesnt apply to MS in most cases as they are not the retailers. The Retailers have a defence in that you have been banned for breaking the terms of the contract.

It would then be for you to prove otherwise.

edgex

XboxLive is an additional service that MS have chosen to offer to users of the Xbox

it is NOT part of the Xbox

the Xbox still works as it always has done, all thats happened is you have been blocked from using the additional service
you can still play your games, as intended

Nuts24

"the Xbox still works as it always has done, all thats happened is you have been blocked from using the additional service
you can still play your games, as intended"

This is now wrong, when they banned Xbox 360's last year, they just banned the Xbox, but this year as well as banning the Xbox they change how the hard drive works. You can no longer install games to hard drive, games that were installed to hard drive no longer work. If you try & use a hard drive that has been used on a banned Xbox on a Xbox that is not banned the the data is corrupted & I have been told that Windows media center will no longer work. I have two xbox's in my house. one in my main room & one in my bedroom, I share one hard drive between the two systems. If I have one banned xbox & one good Xbox I would not be able to do this any more, so my Xbox 360 would then not be working the way it did on day of purchase.

I know that the SOGA does not apply to MS, but to the retailers, this is why I have asked what I have asked as if MS have change how Xbox works & they are wrong in doing this, then it will be down to the retailers to change your banned xbox for a fully working xbox.

Danniboi_2

Nuts24 wrote: »

Is MS Xbox live breaking the sales of good act when they Ban an Xbox 360? As the Xbox no longer works as described on day of purchase I.E the Xbox can no longer access live, the hard drive cannot be used on a different Xbox with out the game data getting corrupted.

When you ask Xbox why the Xbox has been banned they will just give you a generic list of possible things that you may have done wrong.

I cannot see how they are getting away with this with out ever giving any evidence on why people have been banned.

It would be link the police putting some one in jail & not telling them why.

I know a few people that have been banned, they say they have not done any thing wrong, they have not modded there Xbox & when they try & talk to MS Xbox live the bottom line is your are banned, we don’t have to give you any evidence & even if you think you have been wrongly banned we don’t have to look in to it to see if we have made an mistake. If this is true then there is some thing wrong with our law as there would be nothing to stop MS Xbox live banning a random number of Xbox’s just before Xmas every year to boost sales. They say they are banning Xbox’s to crack down on piracy or if people are doing wrong on live, but if this was true they should be banning there accounts, not there 360’s as by banning there 360 they can just go out & buy a new one, if they ban there accounts they loose every thing, gamer points, DLC, Demos, themes, pictures, etc, etc.

What do you think?

No they are well within there rights if you have broke the terms and conditions of use of service agreement, in other words using copied games or modifiying you xbox.

Hintza

It’s very easy right now to mock former Xbox Live users…

So let’s do that, because frankly I am feeling rather lazy.

For those no in the know, Microsoft has recently banned Xbox consoles and subsequently their owners from using their online service if they have been using illegal copied games on said system. Cue outage from banned gamers.

Let’s just try a little multiple choice, exam-style question;

Microsoft is;

A) A huge multi national corporation, one of the largest in the world, that didn’t get to it’s position in the global economy by giving !!!!!! away for free

A kindly old grandmother of a company, the sort that leaves a tray of sweeties on the living room table and doesn’t mind if you slip a few more than you really should into your pocket when the old dear isn’t looking

C) Possessed by the enraged spirit of Lars Ulrich, who still keeps a tube of tennis balls on his belt to throw anytime he sees the Napster logo.

Now, like a questionnaire in a teenage girls magazine, depending on which answer you chose I can tell a lot about you. You are either aware of the world of business around you, ridiculously optimistic/!!!!!! or a self righteous monkey-grinder who can’t cope with having gotten caught stealing.

Of course Microsoft were going to kick off, they already have your ridiculously overpriced subscription fee, and they are in no danger whatsoever of losing business. They are !!!!ing Microsoft, the Xbox is their side project which rakes in enormous amounts of revenue from the lonely gamers market, who think that online gaming is an adequate replacement for genuine social contact.

The problem is once again the market failing to keep up with technological developments; software piracy is always going to happen, because cheap skate nerds will always exist. When faced with anything that it cost someone money to create, which has a value, someone is always going to be !!!!ed off if you steal it. We all hate those anti-piracy ads. “You wouldn’t steal a car” I !!!!ing might, who the !!!! are you to tell me what levels of criminality I won’t sink to? I might choke a toddler to death with a kitten for all you know. But it doesn’t change the fact we all know it’s got a point. Yes we download music, movies, software, mind blowingly disturbing pornography; but we know there’s a risk that whoever owns that intellectual property will come looking for us. Obviously we carry on, because we are aware it’s not cost effective to hunt someone down for the £2.50 worth of royalties an artist didn’t receive from you not buying their album. But the moral ones of us out there still buy the album, the one good album that gets released every six months.

And some of us sit Around waiting for Microsoft to come along and spank us.

mustrum_ridcully

Ok so you have an unmodded xbox. Let me ask this question (and I really don't know the answer).

Does the license for DLC allow the DLC to be used on only on the xbox it was downloaded and installed on?

If yes and the DLC has been used on your other xbox (I assume that this is actually possible) then I'd hazard a guess that MS caught you doing this and that's why you have been banned.

MrsBartolozzi

Hintza wrote: »

It’s very easy right now to mock former Xbox Live users…

So let’s do that, because frankly I am feeling rather lazy.

For those no in the know, Microsoft has recently banned Xbox consoles and subsequently their owners from using their online service if they have been using illegal copied games on said system. Cue outage from banned gamers.

Let’s just try a little multiple choice, exam-style question;

Microsoft is;

A) A huge multi national corporation, one of the largest in the world, that didn’t get to it’s position in the global economy by giving !!!!!! away for free

I thought that WAS the only way they got to be a large global company. They gave incentives to pc shops in the 80's to give out the M$ operating systems instead of the competitors so their inferior system became the norm. The farcical amount they were fined did little to dent their foothold sadly.

I like your option C .

custardy

mustrum_ridcully wrote: »

Ok so you have an unmodded xbox. Let me ask this question (and I really don't know the answer).

Does the license for DLC allow the DLC to be used on only on the xbox it was downloaded and installed on?

If yes and the DLC has been used on your other xbox (I assume that this is actually possible) then I'd hazard a guess that MS caught you doing this and that's why you have been banned.

DLC is linked to the xbox live account
this can be migrated from xbox to xbox via account recovery

daz2712

Nuts24 wrote: »

This is now wrong, when they banned Xbox 360's last year, they just banned the Xbox, but this year as well as banning the Xbox they change how the hard drive works. You can no longer install games to hard drive, games that were installed to hard drive no longer work. If you try & use a hard drive that has been used on a banned Xbox on a Xbox that is not banned the the data is corrupted & I have been told that Windows media center will no longer work.

This is actually a fair point and I remember saying it at the time. If you are banned from XBL then you're account and profile is prevented from accessing the Live network. But that doesn't give MS the right to unofficially MODIFY your console without consent,there was no excuse for modifying the hard drive.
Its quite ironic that they ban from Xbox Live for modifying your console then they do another form of modification on it to prevent you using it in the way it was meant to be used when purchased.
Destroying the original functionality of the hard drive is not acceptable as the console banning from Live should be sufficient.