Call To Cut 1 Milllion Public Sector Jobs

thescouselander

I know quite a few people who have been made redundant from the private sector. All got payouts well in excess of the minimum and almost as generous as the civil service scheme.

On a slightly different topic. If we expect government employees to work at below the market rate then it follows that private sector companies working on government contracts should provide their services at a similar level of discount - thats where the real savings can be made.

The_White_Horse

the public sector adds no value and is simply a cost due to its unbelievable inefficiency and general "no can do" attitude.

a million job cuts should just be the first round in my opinion. There are so many non jobs out there its a bad joke.

A million cuts and a 10 year pay freeze (and pension freeze) should get them back in line.

sack all equality advisors right now. unecessary rubbish.

The_White_Horse

oh, and the inefficient public sector MUST be made to stop farming work out to contractors on massive salaries. a friend of mine has been contracted to the MOJ for years doing some computer nonsense. He is paid the equivalent of 150k plus!!! its a joke. this should all be done by in house IT people on 25k a year.

butterfly72

zygurat789 wrote: »

The report also singled out the NHS and front line staff which just goes to show they have no idea wehat they're talking about.
My OH works in the NHS seeing patients in the community (not a hospital) not only have they had no extra staff over this period but they have suffered reductions and reorganisations to pay for the ever increasing and largely useless management to be installed in posh city centre offices.
Staff morale is very low and my OH is in despair.

I'm a community nurse and our team are really stretched to the limit. We are exhausted .. physically and mentally, yet the managers want us to increase our productivity by 40%. I really don't see how this is possible without affecting the quality of our care. I already give 100%.

Also, the community services have split from the pct (commissioners) and we are now the 'provider arm'. We have to go to tender to provide our services to the community. Any private company could win the tender and we could end up working for virgin or another private care provider. I believe this is also happening in the acute sector in areas such as ITU. So they are already getting rid of us and slimming down the NHS frontline staff!

ILW

thescouselander wrote: »

I know quite a few people who have been made redundant from the private sector. All got payouts well in excess of the minimum and almost as generous as the civil service scheme.

On a slightly different topic. If we expect government employees to work at below the market rate then it follows that private sector companies working on government contracts should provide their services at a similar level of discount - thats where the real savings can be made.

I would suggest that the difference is that I as a taxpayer am not being forced into funding them with my hard earned.

kabayiri

The_White_Horse wrote: »

oh, and the inefficient public sector MUST be made to stop farming work out to contractors on massive salaries. a friend of mine has been contracted to the MOJ for years doing some computer nonsense. He is paid the equivalent of 150k plus!!! its a joke. this should all be done by in house IT people on 25k a year.

:rotfl:
It's a nice idea, but there are none left.

Previous governments cashed in by selling the IT staff to first the likes of EDS, then onto Fujitsu, Cap Gemini etc.

Of course, these staff are sold back in on daily rates of 550 to 600 easy. We are not talking a few either, thousands on different sites.

It was bound to happen. It's been too easy to shaft recent governments for money. No wonder they are broke.

thescouselander

ILW wrote: »

I would suggest that the difference is that I as a taxpayer am not being forced into funding them with my hard earned.

Yes but in order to attract good people with the correct skills the public sector must offer a package in line with conditions in the wider market.

For instance, as a Chartered Engineer working in the public sector I reckon my salary is at least 20% lower than the industry rate. I am prepared to accept this because of other arrangements including pension and redundancy protection etc. If these go I shall be off to sell my services in the private sector as will many others in my position. If the department cant get a replacement from inside they could always get a manpower substitute from the private sector. The only problem is that a like for like replacement costs about £1000 per day which is well in excess of what they are paying me now (unfortunately). So the taxpayer pays either way.

perplexed.com

The_White_Horse wrote: »

the public sector adds no value and is simply a cost due to its unbelievable inefficiency and general "no can do" attitude.



I'll bear that in mind should you ever be referred to my dept. for treatment.

kabayiri

doire wrote: »

On Monday, Gordon Brown said overpaid public sector workers would be "named and shamed" in efforts to deliver more value for money in public services.

Gordon's speech was full of nice sounding but hard to quantify titbits like the above.

How exactly do we save money for the public purse by naming and shaming some well paid chief exec of a council say ?

Surely, all this talk of inefficiency and waste, is disguising the reality :-
- make people more inefficient -> need less people to do same jobs -> job cuts
- invest in automation -> need less people again -> job cuts
- simplifying management structures, removing layers -> more job cuts again

Let's face it, all parties will be planning job cuts. It's just the think tank in the OP is being upfront about it.

ThrowingStonesAtYou

Sack all health workers. If ever this was a non-job this is it. £40k a year and 50 days paid holiday to tell parents stuff they already know or worse stuff they know is !!!!!!!! about their kids is offensive.