Welfare state costs £473 BILLION!!!!

ceebeeby

Hear hear!

Get the anti-benefits comments in now, because someone is going to come along soon with a "this is why I claim benefits" story in a minute, and we'll be made to feel mean!

My issue with the benefits is that it doesn't allow people to make the most of the abilities they do have.

I have no problem with someone 'earning' job seekers allowance by undertaking community work.

I have no problem with someone claiming incapacity benefit, if they are unable to do all of the following simultaneously: walk, see, hear, talk, sit, stand. But if they can do any of the following, then they have a valuable contribution to make to society (even if they can't they still do!).

I have no problem with someone over the age of 75 claiming housing allowance / care home costs if they worked from the age of 18 to 65 and paid into the UK system.

I have a big issue with money going to people who have never paid into the UK benefits system (i.e. those who left school and claimed every day since; those that have moved into the UK etc.)

Pobby

Agree Mouse. It`s only 40 years ago when having a child out of wedlock was considered to be taboo. I knew 2 girls that would have done unless the guy in question hadn`t married them That seemed to be the way it was. Girl pregnant, families insist on marriage. Not saying it was right but a far cry from where we are now.

I had an uncle who for many years thought he had a brother, in fact it was a nephew as his older sister had a child and it was raised by her mother. There were not too many options if you were single and got pregnant.

Society has created a very easy get if you are female these days. You can choose to work and all the other stuff or get pregnant and hand over much of your life to state responsibility. Oh and by the way, we shouldn`t be talking like this. It`s not very PC is it!

SingleSue

Do we know if these figures include tax credits?

Pc is playing silly beggers so can't click the link, it keeps going into meltdown each time I try!

Pobby

HammerSmashedFace wrote: »

And just while I'm on a rant:D, how many of these low lifes are jumping the queue on the social housing list ?, jumping ahead of decent families who work to pay their way, or even singles who have absolutely no chance of ever getting one of these homes.

Remember Max Headroom's post a few months ago ?, if the guy hadn't luckily paid all his mortgage off before he got made redundant he would have been sleeping on a park bench with some newspapers for blankets as the welfare state stuck two fingers at him because he was on his own, all this after paying taxes for the whole of his working life (20 odd years if I remember), totally disgusting.

The system is a joke and now more than ever it needs to be controlled with an iron fist.

Too true. What is about a government that seems to despise its workers. However it is very good at providing an easy option for many.

I recall the post from Max. Very depressing so it was.

My wife was ill and off work for a number of years. We went to the job centre when she felt like she could work again. We were after some help and guidance back into work.

They were worse than useless. All they mumbled on about was benefits. I made it very, very clear that we didn`t want benefits, hadn`t received any and didn`t qualify for any. All we asked was a bit of support.

Total support received? A letter some weeks later explaining that we would not get any benefits. Disgusted.

drc

I like the first comment;

You vote for socialism you get socialists. Socialists need poverty to extend state dependency. They target a minority of aspirational people (the middle classes) and apply penal taxation to yield the tax revenue and thus prevent them breeding & educating on a scale that could threaten socialism. State dependents are encouraged through incentives to breed without any normal constraints since the State will pay. This is where the relentless march of the Welfare state ends, in inevitable social collapse. Mass immigration acts only as an accelerator.

The_White_Horse

i saw Harry Brown last night. Good film.

The real problem is this country is (a) an entitlement attitude (b) no shame and (c) no fear of authority.

fix that, and the place will be decent again.

I wish to god that i was in charge of prisons in this country. i saw some lefty woman in charge and she called the inmates (scum) her clients. what a sham. in holloway, they have a beauty salon and bingo evenings!!! these scum bags should be locked in an empty concrete cell.

Lefties. The most dangerous people on the planet.

thriftybabe

I heard at the weekend a distant (thank goodness) realtive of mine has 5 children to 4 different women. He is a total waste of space and expects the goverment to pick up the bill. None of his children are living with him and he is no longer with the mums. From what I heard he has a few problems. Fair enough looking after him but not his flaming brood.

thriftybabe

The_White_Horse wrote: »

i saw Harry Brown last night. Good film.

The real problem is this country is (a) an entitlement attitude (b) no shame and (c) no fear of authority.

fix that, and the place will be decent again.

I wish to god that i was in charge of prisons in this country. i saw some lefty woman in charge and she called the inmates (scum) her clients. what a sham. in holloway, they have a beauty salon and bingo evenings!!! these scum bags should be locked in an empty concrete cell.

Lefties. The most dangerous people on the planet.

Are you kidding? Seriously this p****s me right off! I have not been a beauty salon since before my kids were born. Anything we have we spend on the kids. They come first and we make do!

ceebeeby

thriftybabe wrote: »

Fair enough looking after him

Why do we have to look after him

I'd have thought the kids were the innocent ones!

It would be cheaper to bloomin' castrate the man!

ceebeeby

The_White_Horse wrote: »

I wish to god that i was in charge of prisons in this country. i saw some lefty woman in charge and she called the inmates (scum) her clients. what a sham. in holloway, they have a beauty salon and bingo evenings!!!

For real? Please tell me you're joking about there being a beauty salon and they get bingo nights .... no way!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad: