Express: Climate Change Is A Fraud To Raise Taxes

The_White_Horse

why don't they increase driving age to 25 and say you cannot drive a car that is older than 7 years. that will get loads of people off the road and stop the older more polluting cars.

why? i will tell you - because they don't care how many cars are on the road as long as they pay tax

zygurat789

Here we go again.
Remember Dr Winchester who said that the MMR vaccine caused autism? The press ran with this and a large percentage of the population agreed with them and children did not receive the protection. He was discredited and the scaremongers contributed to the deaths of many children. All this despite the fact that the vast majority of medical opinion was for the MMR.
There will always be "experts" like Dr Winchester & Dr Plimmer. Has anyone checked if he works for/is sponsored by/has shares in or is in any way going to benefit from his opinions?
Taxation is, and always has been a red herring. Does anybody honestly believe that governments would not have raised the amounts collected from "green" taxation elsewhere?
At least Dr Plimmer has confirmed that climate change is real, does exist and is happening. That, at least should shut up half the ignoramusses who post on this subject on this site.
Our climate has always changed and always will due to natural forces, at the moment, beyond our control, however, this does not mean that we can not affect this process.
We are producing more CO2 than ever before and according to analysis of ice cores going back millions of years the rate of rise of CO2 in the atmosphere is greater than ever seen before.
If this continues unchecked it could be cataclysmic.
The planet can probably survive by eventually producing enough plants, shell
living organisms and limestone to produce an oxygen mix fit for animals but this process takes millions of years and most, if not all, animals may not survive.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

The_White_Horse wrote: »

Green is the new Socialism.

So true....

we will be living in mud huts foraging for berries.

It does seem that this is their goal sometimes....

the_ash_and_the_oak

Man made climate change has been going on for thousands of years imo. Its usually not a global phenomena per se but locally changing climate patterns. Over the last few millennia most examples of local man made climate change are deforestation related causing changing rainfall patterns - and how different societies have perceived and reacted to those changes defines what happens to those societies

Climate change tends to be just one of a number of challenges - environment change isn't just climate - land usage is just as important, with soil salinization, and over-resourcing causing soil erosion and degradation being other big ones

Also its not a given that societies don't react to environmental change, many societies do alter behaviour (Iceland's response to inappropriate use of its soil instructive here imo - feudal Japan's response to overforesting)

doire_2

Why charge us more to keep on damaging the earth?

Rochdale_Pioneers

doire wrote: »

Why charge us more to keep on damaging the earth?

A good question. Much green policy is taxing people for their existing behaviour. The tax charged isn't sufficiently high to change that behaviour, so most people will cough up and carry on as normal. And thats not just here, it seems to be the tactic employed by governments across the world.

zygurat789

the_ash_and_the_oak wrote: »

Man made climate change has been going on for thousands of years imo. Its usually not a global phenomena per se but locally changing climate patterns. Over the last few millennia most examples of local man made climate change are deforestation related causing changing rainfall patterns - and how different societies have perceived and reacted to those changes defines what happens to those societies

Do you really think a couple of million men were enough to achieve this.
Changing rainfall patterns may have been caused by deforestation but men never deforrested anything until about 6,000 years ago and then it was only on a small scale. There just weren't enough people around to do this.
You really ought tio research your subject before putting forward such inaccurate facts as this.

zygurat789

doire wrote: »

Why charge us more to keep on damaging the earth?

Because the price mechanism really does work.

the_ash_and_the_oak

zygurat789 wrote: »

Do you really think a couple of million men were enough to achieve this.
Changing rainfall patterns may have been caused by deforestation but men never deforrested anything until about 6,000 years ago and then it was only on a small scale. There just weren't enough people around to do this.
You really ought tio research your subject before putting forward such inaccurate facts as this.

Wasn't suggesting a few million. Was actually suggesting less than that. I'm not referring here to rainfall globally - but in a small area. Mountainous islands are a good example here. Also small scale is relative (easter island was completely deforested in a few centuries for example)

zygurat789

the_ash_and_the_oak wrote: »

Wasn't suggesting a few million. Was actually suggesting less than that. I'm not referring here to rainfall globally - but in a small area. Mountainous islands are a good example here. Also small scale is relative (easter island was completely deforested in a few centuries for example)

And that changed the rainfall pattern:rotfl: