damage to personal property

lupylucy

bobby-boy wrote: »

assuming a registered installer disconnected the gas prior to removal of the old boiler) tests it and certifies it and issues the Landlords and tenants Gas safety cert which you MUST Have.

it was the apprentice and the handy man who disconected it all.

bobby-boy_2

Hi Lucy
that kind of changes things, a quick call to the HSE giving them a heads up.

Make sure its a registered fitter who checks the boiler and tests it NOT the apprentice on his own and insist on the Cert.

chappers

lupylucy wrote: »

hiya, thanks for your reply. could the landlord not get funny with me if i report him, and give me my notice? or be p***ed at me and go out of there way to find fault with me and to kick me out then? thats one of my main worries.

Yes but would you want to be living in a property with a potentialy dangerous appliance, is there currently a valid GSC in place.
I would be pointing this out to your LL and ensuring he puts the correct certification in place.Your LL is legaly obliged to provide you with a copy of the GSC.

chappers

bobby-boy wrote: »

Hi Lucy


Before everyone harps on about reporting the landlord etc perhaps it is prudent to wait until the Registered gas fitter comes along and check the work of his apprentice, connects the gas (assuming a registered installer disconnected the gas prior to removal of the old boiler) tests it and certifies it and issues the Landlords and tenants Gas safety cert which you MUST Have.

Technically this in itself is ilegal a gas safe engineer is not supposed to just sign off an apprentices work but must also supervise it.(We know that this is not generally the case in practice though)
Also getting some one to issue a GSC is not the same as correctly commissioning a boiler safely.

Fire_Fox

lupylucy wrote: »

it was the apprentice and the handy man who disconected it all.

Are you certain the gas wasn't switched off and made safe after the boiler broke down, and today is simply undoing the pipes of a redundant boiler? Do you have a carbon monoxide alarm in the property?

Fire_Fox

tbs624 wrote: »

Now you've given a bit more info - your LL should have given you 24 hours minimum notice (written) that the workmen would be coming to the property.

See also http://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/ - if none of them are GasSafe registered they are working illegally. report them to the HSE, to GasSafe and to the the Environmental Health officer at the Council.

How does the legal requirement to give written notice fit in with the landlord's responsibility to provide a functioning central heating system/ hot water, would this not be classed as an emergency? It must be pretty tough to book a gas fitter at this time of year, in the meantime the landlord has a pregnant tenant with a broken boiler ...

bobby-boy_2

I totally agree Chappers
Qoute:
"Technically this in itself is ilegal a gas safe engineer is not supposed to just sign off an apprentices work but must also supervise it.(We know that this is not generally the case in practice though)
Also getting some one to issue a GSC is not the same as correctly commissioning a boiler safely."

When I said test I meant commision, the point I was trying to make was make sure that the apprentice does not do the whole job unsupervised as the gas part is far more complicated than the "dog work "of removing the old scrap one and bolting the new one to the wall.

To lucy sorry for going off track from the thread origin.

tbs624

Fire_Fox wrote: »

How does the legal requirement to give written notice fit in with the landlord's responsibility to provide a functioning central heating system/ hot water, would this not be classed as an emergency? It must be pretty tough to book a gas fitter at this time of year, in the meantime the landlord has a pregnant tenant with a broken boiler ...

The LL must fix such problems within a "reasonable" time and in this case seems to be trying to do so. Switching off a boiler that was dangerous, responding to a fire or a flood etc would be classed as an emergency, but fitting a new boiler probably not .

.I did say earlier that many Ts would be glad that their LL was effecting repairs asap but it looks like a lack of communication all round - the LL/fitter must have known there was a car there so could have mentioned earlier (ie a week ago) to the T that there would be a "need" to move it. The OP had initially implied that they simply turned up, but now says they had at least contacted her the night before

lupylucy

tbs624 wrote: »

the LL/fitter must have known there was a car there so could have mentioned earlier (ie a week ago) to the T that there would be a "need" to move it. The OP had initially implied that they simply turned up, but now says they had at least contacted her the night before

if they had told me a few days before i could of arranged for car to be put at neighbours. she was at work today, and her gates are locked, and would of needed to ask before i just put car there.
The landlord had rang the day before to say that someone would be coming the next morning to fit boiler. they didnt say anything about needing to move car though, this what only told to be about 2 -3 mins beofre they needed it doing.
I am glad to get my repairs done, but at the same time didnt see why my items should be damaged by them repairing house, as its not my fault boiler broke, but i would be left with cost of replacement parts and costs to car.

"Are you certain the gas wasn't switched off and made safe after the boiler broke down, and today is simply undoing the pipes of a redundant boiler? Do you have a carbon monoxide alarm in the property?"

no i dont have a carbon monoxide monitor fitted. and im sure today wasnt a case of just removing boiler, as the apprentce and handyman were the first people to have looked at it since it broke

Fire_Fox

lupylucy wrote: »

if they had told me a few days before i could of arranged for car to be put at neighbours. she was at work today, and her gates are locked, and would of needed to ask before i just put car there.
The landlord had rang the day before to say that someone would be coming the next morning to fit boiler. they didnt say anything about needing to move car though, this what only told to be about 2 -3 mins beofre they needed it doing.
I am glad to get my repairs done, but at the same time didnt see why my items should be damaged by them repairing house, as its not my fault boiler broke, but i would be left with cost of replacement parts and costs to car.

I can't imagine they wanted to damage your property, hence asking you to get it moved! Accidents happen, most workmen will expect breakables and furniture moving, even carpets or sofas to be covered so they can get on with the job at hand unhindered. It might not be your fault the boiler broke, but it probably isn't the landlord's either it's just one of those things.

What are the chances of the car getting towed/ ticketed on the one day you put it in the road without a tax disc, given that four people are in your house to spot the bobby coming? Did you ask the three men working in your house to help move the car off the drive given that you are pregnant? Do you only have one neighbour you could ask to help move the car or for drive space?