Au pair plus / nanny / from outside EU aged over 35?

shirlgirl2004

I think if someone is employed as a "nanny" of some description rather than an aupair the OP will have to pay minimum wage and then charge for the room etc. I'd say a room including utilities would be about £75 a week. I'd guess the OP is looking at the person working about 25 hours a week at about £6 an hour which makes £150 a week take of the £75 and she'd only have to pay her £75 (if that's what she wanted to do and I don't think it is). The only problem is that there would be additional tax and NI to pay on the full salary.

gettingready

Milky_Mocha wrote: »

Anyway, does anyone have knowledge of the tax issues I questioned in my last post, i.e. is tax/NI payable to a say, Polish national (who I don't believe is illegal, conidering that the home office site states they can move in or out of the UK with no restrictions).

Please correct me if I'm wrong on the legality/illegality of a Polish 33 year old woman coming to the UK to work as a child carer.

Not sure how familiar are you with the current affairs but Poland has been in EU for a good few years now.....

33 yo Polish woman will stay with you for a short bit, find her feet here and shut the doors firmly behind her on her way out to a job with normal pay that will help her support her family back home.

Yes, i am actually Polish and this attitude hoping for "cheap labour" drives me up the wall .

Milky_Mocha wrote: »

I guess people in the UK are so used to paying sky high costs for childcare that anyone who discovers any different after paying this for so long, understandably becomes defiant LOL!

I won't even comment on this....I thought slavery was illegal in this country....with the introduction of NMW?

My dogwalker charges £10 per hour - and I am happy to pay that every day while I am at work so my dog can go out as I want to make sure my dog is ok.

And here, the OP is talking about her own kids.....

Any

Au-pair is a student. Help in return for accomodation.

Nanny is an employee. You pay wage she pays rent.

That is why it is such a huge difference in the requirements.

If you pay £100 for 25 hrs a week for employee - that is less then NMW and illegal. You would have to pay properly and then charge rent back.

Au-pair is a student - completely different situation. It's special scheme. No tax and NI. Most au-pairs go to school couple of hours a week to learn proper english. You should also pay for that.

I used to be an Au-pair. If you do it properly through agency etc you will have no problems. I know they are not cheap, but they will sort out the legal issues and visas and if you are not happy with the person they will send out another one.

kavics17

Agree with Any. Aupairs have special status, so you do not need to pay any Tax or NI above their money-it is called pocket money as they are supposed to be part of your family. £100 for 25hrs is very reasonable in current situation, I think you won't have any problems finding someone. As for age: I have seen girls aged 19 more mature than aged 30.It doesn't matter what age is the person, check their references (personal and childcare), do a CRB check, and listen to your instincts. I used to be an aupair, aged 23, family loved having me there and thought I was very mature for my age. My little brother was an aupair last year aged 19 for the same family, they thought the same.I think personality is more important than age.

Regarding to WRS, aupairs don't need to register.

So good luck with your search, hope you will find someone.

Rachie_B

Ruby_Moon wrote: »

It really is fascinating how people think and get on with things. It never ceases to keep me occupied.
Anyway, what I mean by that is that OP, I think the exact opposite to you. I would worry more if an over 35 year old were looking after my children than a 25 year old. Don't forget, so many women in the world have been married for 9 years and maybe have their own children by the time they are 35.
At 35 I would be thinking about the lack of children in this lady's life. To reach 35 and never have you own children is knocking on a bit so is she likely to leave her job in a few months time when she meets someone new and realises she doesn't have long left to make babies.
I think of the psychology of a woman who has no mature relationship in her life by the time she is 35 and how is she able to take on a full time position.
Everyone is different, I know that, however a 36 year old nanny is not one for me. Far too many issues there.

what about those nannies 30+ (or whatever age!) who have already had their own children .... ?

obviously not available for live in positions but daily ,sure!

as I do, as a 30 year old married Mum of 2

Milky_Mocha

gettingready wrote: »

Not sure how familiar are you with the current affairs but Poland has been in EU for a good few years now.....

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My point exactly - was trying to let ppl realise that there is unrestricted movement for EU citizens;)

gettingready wrote: »

33 yo Polish woman will stay with you for a short bit, find her feet here and shut the doors firmly behind her on her way out to a job with normal pay that will help her support her family back home.
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This is something to consider. Thanks for this.

gettingready wrote: »

Yes, i am actually Polish and this attitude hoping for "cheap labour" drives me up the wall .


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It may be 'cheap' to you but a lot of 'au pairs' get a lot out of it and find it a deeply fulfilling experience. Different people go for different jobs and that's great. The wage I'm offering is actually a fair wage as has been confirmed by other posters who are more aware than you. I blame your attitude on ignorance (I don't mean that in an unkind or insulting way, just that if you don't know, you don't know;)). Good for you.

gettingready wrote: »

I won't even comment on this....I thought slavery was illegal in this country....with the introduction of NMW?

My dogwalker charges £10 per hour - and I am happy to pay that every day while I am at work so my dog can go out as I want to make sure my dog is ok.

And here, the OP is talking about her own kids.....

It always amazes me how much it costs to look after pets in this country compared to humans. I see adverts asking for £2 per month to sponsor a starving child and then £4 a month to save some tigers in a remote land!

Anyway, when I started searching for a UK nanny I saw quite a range of salary quotes, none of which were as high as £10 so maybe nannies should shift to dog walking jobs!!! The most expensive nanny quote I was given was £8 an hour and that was from very experienced nannies with degrees and loads of certificates and years of experience. That's just the way it is. Like I said, if you don't know, you don't know, sweetheart;)

gettingready

Rachie_B wrote: »

what about those nannies 30+ (or whatever age!) who have already had their own children .... ?

obviously not available for live in positions but daily ,sure!

as I do, as a 30 year old married Mum of 2

Would you work for £100 per week?



OP is looking for that.....

gettingready

LOL @ OP's patronising tone......

Let's just agree to disagree about who knows what...Good luck

Milky_Mocha

Any wrote: »

Au-pair is a student. Help in return for accomodation.

Nanny is an employee. You pay wage she pays rent.

That is why it is such a huge difference in the requirements.

If you pay £100 for 25 hrs a week for employee - that is less then NMW and illegal. You would have to pay properly and then charge rent back.

Au-pair is a student - completely different situation. It's special scheme. No tax and NI. Most au-pairs go to school couple of hours a week to learn proper english. You should also pay for that.

I used to be an Au-pair. If you do it properly through agency etc you will have no problems. I know they are not cheap, but they will sort out the legal issues and visas and if you are not happy with the person they will send out another one.

Please see shirlgirl2004's post.

I laughed at your comment of 'paying properly and charging the rent back'. That amounts to the same thing! If i pay £200 per week and charge £100 rent I'm still giving out £100 per week! LOLOL!!!

gettingready

Milky_Mocha wrote: »

Please see shirlgirl2004's post.

I laughed at your comment of 'paying properly and charging the rent back'. That amounts to the same thing! If i pay £200 per week and charge £100 rent I'm still giving out £100 per week! LOLOL!!!

I blame your statement on ignorance.. not in a nasty way - it is just if you do not know you do not know....

I suggest you check what are the rules for charging a live in employee for accomodation that comes with the job...

Guess you may be surprised how little would you be allowed to charge, and stop laughing so loud - sweetheart.

:rolleyes: