Can't work in daytime because of hair

Oldernotwiser

mizzbiz wrote: »

People on here are bizarre. I'm half Indian, half English and I am considered by my friends and family, as well as myself, to be 'Half Caste'. It's not at all offensive, it's what I am.

But, as I said earlier, there are Afro Caribbean British people who use the "n word" to describe themselves, which doesn't mean that it's an acceptable term for the rest of us to use.

If you were to work in much of the public sector you would find that, within that setting, "half caste" wasn't acceptable and you would be disciplined for using it. Surely knowing what's acceptable more generally is important, regardless of the terminology you choose to use within your own social circle?

DVardysShadow

poet123 wrote: »

To me, it read that people regularly treat/react to black people in this way i.e with "suspicion".

Well, look at elfen's words:

Very stupid, but maybe they feel that cos of his hair he will be seen as black and people will treat him as such (very suspiciously) during the day

which is cut and pasted from YOUR quote of elfen.

The key part is the words 'they feel'. Elfen is not saying that people treat black people with suspicion. She is saying that 'They' feel that people treat black people with suspicion. Here, 'they' refers to the employer unless you can make any other sense of it.

timmmers

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

But, as I said earlier, there are Afro Caribbean British people who use the "n word" to describe themselves, which doesn't mean that it's an acceptable term for the rest of us to use.

They use the term Nigga not the n word...and it's a hiphop term used by all races in place of "mate" or "buddy". My son and most of his mates are English and use it to each other all the time....and to me. The mirror tells me I'm very slightly tanned..
None of us worry about such things...at least we're not Gingahs :rotfl:

Anyway..about this poor lad's hair and job ?

t

Oldernotwiser

timmmers wrote: »

They use the term Nigga not the n word...and it's a hiphop term used by all races in place of "mate" or "buddy". My son and most of his mates are English and use it to each other all the time....and to me. The mirror tells me I'm very slightly tanned..

Amazingly good diction they must have to distinguish between "nigga" and "n1gger" and what has being English got to do with it?

Fran

DVardysShadow wrote: »

Well, look at elfen's words:



which is cut and pasted from YOUR quote of elfen.

The key part is the words 'they feel'. Elfen is not saying that people treat black people with suspicion. She is saying that 'They' feel that people treat black people with suspicion. Here, 'they' refers to the employer unless you can make any other sense of it.

It doesn't matter who or what, the words "black" in the same sentence as "suspicion" is a racist thought.

poet123

DVardysShadow wrote: »

Well, look at elfen's words:



which is cut and pasted from YOUR quote of elfen.

The key part is the words 'they feel'. Elfen is not saying that people treat black people with suspicion. She is saying that 'They' feel that people treat black people with suspicion. Here, 'they' refers to the employer unless you can make any other sense of it.

No, the key part for me is "because of his hair" they will see him as black (not half caste, as the op labelled him) and therefore treat him as such, with suspicion, as if that was the normal or acceptable reaction to a black person.

DVardysShadow

poet123 wrote: »

No, the key part for me is "because of his hair" they will see him as black (not half caste, as the op labelled him) and therefore treat him as such, with suspicion, as if that was the normal or acceptable reaction to a black person.

well you are reading it wrongly.

You are totally ignoring the Subject and the Verb of the sentence: "They feel"

You are analysing the subordinate clause.

Elfen does not have to justify "cos of his hair he will be seen as black and people will treat him as such (very suspiciously) during the day." because that is not a thought of her own

Elfen only has to justify "maybe they feel that cos of his hair he will beseen as black and people will treat him as such (very suspiciously) during the day". She only has to justify why she thinks that the garage proprietor ["they"] feels that people might react in this way. That is her own thought - what the garage proprietor might feel

Elfen has not ascribed any particular belief or thought to 'people'. She has only ascribed a thought to the garage proprietors about what people might think

laurel7172

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

But, as I said earlier, there are Afro Caribbean British people who use the "n word" to describe themselves, which doesn't mean that it's an acceptable term for the rest of us to use.

Quite. I work in a school where some of the children use the word "Paki" to describe themselves and each other. If I used that word I'd be sacked-and rightly so.

poet123

DVardysShadow wrote: »

well you are reading it wrongly.

You are totally ignoring the Subject and the Verb of the sentence: "They feel"

You are analysing the subordinate clause.

Elfen does not have to justify "cos of his hair he will be seen as black and people will treat him as such (very suspiciously) during the day." because that is not a thought of her own

Elfen only has to justify "maybe they feel that cos of his hair he will beseen as black and people will treat him as such (very suspiciously) during the day". She only has to justify why she thinks that the garage proprietor ["they"] feels that people might react in this way. That is her own thought - what the garage proprietor might feel

Elfen has not ascribed any particular belief or thought to 'people'. She has only ascribed a thought to the garage proprietors about what people might think

Exactly, why would this thought enter her mind? the OP never alluded to her BF being black, so why bring in a negative connotation to being seen as black by "whoever".

In fact why bring in the word "black" at all? the OP didn't.

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Can't work in daytime because of hair


Hi, I just need a bit of advice really. Basically my boyfriend started a new job in a petrol station a few weeks ago, working 2 nights and a Sunday day. It has all been going well, except a few days ago the owner of the petrol station has said that he can't work a day shift because of his hair. My boyfriend is half cast and has afro curly hair and it isnt untidy or matted. He has asked if there is any other reason why they dont want him to work in the daytime and he is just told its because of his hair. My question is, is this discrimination? and is there anything he can do about it?

Thanks for reading this

You are reading it wrongly.

DVardysShadow

poet123 wrote: »

Exactly, why would this thought enter her mind? the OP never alluded to her BF being black, so why bring in a negative connotation to being seen as black by "whoever". In fact why bring in the word "black" at all? the OP didn't.

OP said BF was half cast, as you agree. But elfen is not analysing how people might think. She is speculating how the BF's employer might be speculating people might be thinking. The black vs half cast issue is a red herring here. Elfen is not commenting on BF's race, elfen is specualting that either the employer is getting it wrong or that the employer is speculating that people will get it wrong and she is speculating that the employer is specualting that people will have a suspicion about the BF.

Now there is no way that Elfen is speculating anything about the BF.

I could say that "perhaps the BF's employer thinks that customers believe that the earth is flat". From that statement you cannot deduce that I think the earth is flat, nor that the BF's employer thinks the earth is flat, nor even that the customers think it is flat. Similarly, from what elfen said you can deduce nothing about anyone's thoughts about black people.

You are reading it wrongly.

I doubt it. Elfen's words are my witness