CSA could cost me my career

shell_542

I can kind of see where you're coming from with the set amount, but in practice, would it work and is it fair?

For starters who would decide this set amount? If for example, the figure is £200 a month ... what do all the NRP's who earn a low wage and can't afford £200 a month do? Those on benefits? Those not working? Or are you saying the set figure should be worked up to? So 15% of your wages with a maximum threshold, with the most payable £200?

Would that really be fair?

Some couples, when together, have the father out working and the Mum at home looking after the children/house or working part time earning a lot less. So hypothetical family ... Father earning with a take home of £3000 a month, mother has tax credits, child benefit, perhaps a few hundred pound from a part time job. The child goes to a private school, lots of extra curricular activities they enjoy etc etc. So the couple split for whatever reason and the child stays with the mother. All the father now has to pay out of his £3000 a month is £200. He refuses to help towards the school and extra curricular activity fees anymore and the Mother can't afford it. It's the child who ends up losing out. The Father has a very expensive lifestyle, doesn't want for anything ... the child and mother are now living on the breadline. Is that fair?

I don't see the point in asking for an amount for child support that a person cannot afford and I don't think the CSA works well but a set amount doesn't sound like it would work either, to me.

Ideally it could be worked out on what an NRP can afford. Taking into account their income and expenditure ... but unfortunately, because there are NRPs out there who would exploit that method, by taking on unnecessary expenditures so that they wouldn't have to pay anything or to fiddle their figures somehow, that will never happen.

shell_542

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

"the lady chooses to have the baby after a one night stand"...but the man chooses to have unprotected sex...so you are saying that it's okay for men to shag about with no thought to sexual health as the women can always go down to the clinic and get the results hoovered out? He chooses to dip his knob unprotected then it's quite right he should put his hand in his pocket for the next 18 years should a pregnancy occur...maybe make him think twice the next time eh?
Yes, lets leave the contraception and murdering of babies to the women...hurrah, we are back in the 19th century:rolleyes: The 'unsuspecting male' DOES have a choice as he can whap a condom on the end of his knob and quite frankly, if he doesn't and the female decides to proceed with the pregnancy then he is as much responsible as her. Babies don't just appear from nowhere...we don't just fall onto willies unsuspectingly and I would think that in actual fact it is a very small minority of the CSA cases that are one night stand jobs. Most children are born out of love. And oh yeah, if she turns round and says that she 'can't have kids' or I'm on the pill' then condoms should still be getting used...jesus these days a baby could be the least of the problem.

p.s 2 mins eh mitchaa? I tell you, Mrs mitchaa is one lucky lucky lady:p

He has more responsibility and no choice. She does. This attitude that a man must take responsbility for having sex, in my opinion it isn't so black and white. I think if a man HAS to take responsibility for having sex, the perhaps so should a woman. No options of the MAP or an abortion. They shouldn't be offered unless for medical reasons.

It stinks of double standards to me. A man cannot have sex and choose not to take responsibility for the child it may produce ... but a woman can and does.

Yes I know, for some they would never contemplate the MAP and/or abortion but many do. And they can choose to sleep around, not protect themselves just as much as a man can, yet they get a choice. I can see why men get annoyed at the attitude they receive. And being a member of a few internet forums, a baby being a product of a one night stand is not that uncommon!

Loopy_Girl

But he does have a choice.

He chose to have sex without a condom

I agree...women should ALWAYS use contraception as well. My point is that men seem to think that they can have unprotected sex and then walk away as 'she can have the morning after pill or go to the clinic'.

Why should a man that has unprotected sex not get the consequences.

I only saw the small comment that mitchaa copied from DUTR and for every woman 'that is opening her legs' there seems to be plenty men ready to oblige - who is the biggest loser there then?

shell_542

Loopy_Girl wrote: »

But he does have a choice.

He chose to have sex without a condom

A woman may choose to have sex without a condom but doesn't have to live with the consequences. (if she chooses not to)

I agree...women should ALWAYS use contraception as well. My point is that men seem to think that they can have unprotected sex and then walk away as 'she can have the morning after pill or go to the clinic'.

I think it's unfair to say that men in general think that way, but yes some do. So do some women think "Oh, i'll chance it" or rely on the MAP more than it should perhaps be used,

Why should a man that has unprotected sex not get the consequences.

The same reason a woman can? Or if it is indeed right that men shouldn't be able to do it, then neither should woman in my opinion,.

I only saw the small comment that mitchaa copied from DUTR and for every woman 'that is opening her legs' there seems to be plenty men ready to oblige - who is the biggest loser there then?

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Gorgeous_George

DUTR wrote: »

It could be equally argued that the National disgrace is the 'ladies' that open their legs to any passer by.

No, not any passer by.

The really evil slappers choose their victims carefully. No point keeping the child if the dad is unemployed.

GG

Loopy_Girl

Must be the victims with no hands then since they appear to be incapable of shoving a condom on their knob.....

Man standing there with a boner and she assures him she's on the Pill...whose the muppet I wonder...the female seeing a cash cow or the man that is thinking with his knob when it would take 2 secs to slip one on...

Blonde_Bint

dont forget though the almighty condom is not 100 per cent effective though. there will be blokes out there that did condom up. at the end of the day the woman gets to decide the blokes life.

when 2 people are not together at the time they should be brought together to discuss it and if one doesnt want the baby that should be it no baby. the way it stands now woman can choose not to tell a bloke until baby is what ever age. fact the bloke only finds out about baby when woman chooses to tell him.

in the current slapper benefits climate i'd encourage ss to utilise the services of a good honest 'working girl' it'll be cheaper in the end and wont damage the rest of his life:p

shell_542

Blonde_Bint wrote: »

dont forget though the almighty condom is not 100 per cent effective though. there will be blokes out there that did condom up. at the end of the day the woman gets to decide the blokes life.

when 2 people are not together at the time they should be brought together to discuss it and if one doesnt want the baby that should be it no baby. Or the woman could decide that she will support the child alone. the way it stands now woman can choose not to tell a bloke until baby is what ever age. fact the bloke only finds out about baby when woman chooses to tell him.

in the current slapper benefits climate i'd encourage ss to utilise the services of a good honest 'working girl' it'll be cheaper in the end and wont damage the rest of his life:p

Of course, only my opinion

alwaysonthego_2

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