Doing your own work = selling on problems.

Canucklehead

Good morning: a useful and accurate reference website for common building projects.;)

HTH

Canucklehead

keystone

wallbash wrote: »

Regulations is 'killing' the DIY handy man. We are bringing up a generation that has too pay , to get jobs done , that they should do.

Yes you are absolutely right but the reason is that too many DIY handymen were killing themselves or setting fire to their houses because they were undertaking things way beyond their competance level. That doesn't help you and it doesn't help me either. Ludicrously your 20 year old job will be OK - until you try and change any of it - then you must comply. Your 3 year old job won't be OK whether you like it or not. Did you comply with Edn 16 of the wiring regs on the latter? You won't have complied with Part P thats for sure. A PIR done for iro £ 120 will tell you if its all OK - that is if you are worried which suspect you aren't.

Its the idiots that think they can put in a new shower circuit by spurring of the back of the cooker point or running it in 2.5mm T&E that have done this. A great deal of a sparks bill these days is involved in testing to regulations and completing paperwork. Don't kill him for that.

Another example. Two houses , both with newish windows. One , nice area , close to a good school ,,,, but no paperwork Second House, next to a kebab shop , dog muck on steps, hypodermic needle on drive .... BUT its got all the paper work

Which one would you buy??

Common sense doesn't come into it where bureacracy is concerned I'm afraid. Windows will almost have paperwork for Part L compliance. Who installs their own windows? A PIR by the potential purchser will tell them all they need to know about the state of the electrics in the "no paperwork" house. Thats what I'd do anyway if I was considering buying it.

Cheers

Alan_M_2

Lets put this into perspective as all this "You'll die of you do it wrong" carp really grates on me.

On average each year (according to the office of national statistics) 5 people die and 550 are injured as a result of domestic electricution each year in the UK. In the years since the introduction of Part P this has remained unchanged, (feel free to confirm this yourself with the Office of National Statistics).

In comparison, 37,000 people are injured each year spilling boiling water on themselves, should we regulate cooker and kettle use?

350,000 people are seriously injured falling over in the home...maybe we should regulate gravity?

Whilst I agree on the whole that installations should be safe, the requirement of these regulations is overstated. In other words they've decided to use a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.

andrew-b

keystone wrote: »

Yes you are absolutely right but the reason is that too many DIY handymen were killing themselves or setting fire to their houses because they were undertaking things way beyond their competance level.

But has part p actually changed that... I very much doubt it. Are there any statistics to prove it has reduced such accidents? [EDIT]Alan confirms what i thought above i see[/EDIT] I bet if you carried out a survey in the high street only a small percentage have any idea what part p is! An installation that complies with IEEE wiring regs but hasn't been notified under part p is no more dangerous than an installation that has been notified under part p. The problem that the bureaucrats claim part p was designed to solve hasn't been solved IMHO. Competent DIYers will continue to carry out wiring in their own homes and many will be completely unphased by part P and carry on regardless. Incompetent DIYers will continue wiring too with disregard to part P. Another point is someone may well be a qualified electrician but that does not give him/her a right to self-notify with Part P.

On part L.. we have a friend whose a window fitter by trade..though his actual job now is something completely different - if we were to get him to fit windows for the proper paperwork we would have to pay building control for a piece of paper that makes absolutely no difference!

Andy

wallbash

Getting back to the OP ... always a good idea.
Have we ?? come to an answer we can all agree on ?


Or has he just got to make his own mind up

andrew-b

If i were the OP i'd keep quiet until missing paperwork is noticed! Then if necessary offer to pay an indemnity or inspection fees for required tradesmen to issue paperwork. So long as you show willing as the vendor to comply i really don't see why it should be a problem. A few quid for an electrical inspection or an indemnity insurance is peanuts compared to the property valuation!

andrew-b

oh and from the mortgage valuation point of view your building society won't care less. A mortgage valuation survey won't pick up on most of these things anyway unless there is something visbly badly wired, roof caving in etc! The surveyor for the mortgage valuation won't be in the property very long at all. ...i'm saying this as someone whose accompanied my father carrying out these types of surveys! The part of this type of survey that takes the longest is measuring the perimeter of the house for insurance valuation purposes.

Andy

Zombies

Well, I feel better after that.

At the moment, I have only replaced or moved electrical items so nothing to worry about on what I have done.

cheers

baldelectrician

It all depends on where you live

No Part P in Scotland, but you have to complete the sellers survey, which asks a lot of questions. You answer yes or no, not don't know.

This forms part of your house sale contract.

It is up to the buyer what they want- if they want paperwork then they will have it checked.

It depends on how good their solicitor is how many questions they ask

You pays your money you takes your chioce

Scenario 3
Two houses for sale, same area, same style, same price. One has all the papaerwork in place and the selers pack is full of detail. The other does not- I know what may sell quicker

DVardysShadow

Alan_M wrote: »

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350,000 people are seriously injured falling over in the home...maybe we should regulate gravity?

Dont' be facetious, you know full well that the correct response to this alarming statistic is to institute CRB checks on anyone who stands up.