2 part paper copy of driving license

oriana94

Hi I am a long time lurker of the forum and fan of what Martin does.
I have bought a new car and have been asked to take along my paper copy of my driving license. I cannot find it, all I have is my photo copy. I am worried I will not be able to collect my new car on Friday. I have found everything else. My partner cannot find her paper copy also. Am I dreaming, do i have one ?

Can anyone help me do I need it and can I get a replacement if needed.
Thanks

456789

You should have one - I think they will let you have the car

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You can get a replacement from the DVLA

When I lost my photocard they said if you lose 1 part then send back the other

If you lose both you can phone for a replacement - so it is easier to get a replacement if you just say you lost both parts (costs same I think)

oriana94

That helps if you think I don`t need it to get the car.
I wonder if anyone can give me a definite answer as I am happy to apply for a new one from the DVLA.
It would be 10 more days to post a new one if no car.

thank you.

Inactive

Ask the dealer why they need tour driving licence, the only valid reason for them wanting it is if they are offering the free 7 day insurance offer from Aviva.

Otherwise, your driving licence really isn't any of their business.

Nilrem

Not quite right Inactive.

The dealer (and anyone who sells a car) should prior to letting it be driven by the buyer, check to make sure they have a suitable licence and insurance for it.
If they don't, the dealer could potentially get in trouble for allowing an unlicensed/uninsured person to drive.

Although common sense would say that if the person arrives driving a car they should really have a license (or if need be a call to the DVLA should provide confirmation).

It could be the dealership has had a problem at some point in the past and wants to cover their backs.

Inactive

Nilrem wrote: »

Not quite right Inactive.

The dealer (and anyone who sells a car) should prior to letting it be driven by the buyer, check to make sure they have a suitable licence and insurance for it.
If they don't, the dealer could potentially get in trouble for allowing an unlicensed/uninsured person to drive.

" Get in trouble " .... by who???

It surely isn't the duty or responsibility of a car dealer, or seller to verify licence and insurance details, that is surely the responsibility of the car purchaser.

Nilrem

The offence is "Causing or permitting someone to drive without a licence" I beleive.
The same offence if you as a private individual allow someone to "test drive" your car and it turns out they don't have a licence, or as an irresponsible parent someone lets their offspring drive the car/motobike/truck/tractor/steam engine*.
There is a similar offence for insurance (which catches a fair few people allowing others to test drive their car out).

Basically the Law places a level of responsibility on both the actual driver, and anyone who lets them drive.
Hence the reason a dealership may wish to check your licence before you drive off in a new car/bike, in much the same way they will require you to have insurance and tax.

It's also why the likes of a driving instructor will normally (or should!) ask to see your provisional entitlement to drive before he/she lets you take the controls, as they are held jointly responsible for your lack of a suitable licence if they don't take reasonable steps to check.


As I think I said in my previous post, the dealership can probably normally assume anyone who arrives driving their own car will have a suitable licence (or if they've seen your licence for other things such as finance application), but if they've had any problems in the past they may want to see the licence as standard upon collection, the same way they should see proof of insurance (as potentially the dealer personally could be liable to points on his/her licence and a stiff fine, and the dealership itself may face fines).



*I beleive that still has it's own category (unless they finally got rid of it).

hewhoisnotintheknow

even if you dont need it to pick the car up you still need to find it, if you have a bump and are asked to produce your docs at a police station they will take a dim view if you dont produce the full licence

Inactive

Nilrem wrote: »

The offence is "Causing or permitting someone to drive without a licence" I beleive.

Excuse me, the OP is buying this car, once it is paid for it belongs to him/her, it is then nothing whatsoever to do with the seller, the seller is not responsible for the actions of the buyer.

Show us all the legislation that disproves my statement.;)

Happychappy

Inactive wrote: »

Excuse me, the OP is buying this car, once it is paid for it belongs to him/her, it is then nothing whatsoever to do with the seller, the seller is not responsible for the actions of the buyer.

Show us all the legislation that disproves my statement.;)

Incative is correct, after the sale, the dealer is not the legal owner of the car, or the employer of the driver, and therefore use, cause, permit offences do not apply.

You will find the reason for wanting to see the couterpart is for insurance purposes. The dealer is offering "free" insurance, however, there are often hidden clauses which the insurance company who the dealer is going through often stipulate they will not insure drivers with conviction for drink drive and dangerous driving offence as the premium would be too high to offer the cover.

Inactive

Happychappy wrote: »

You will find the reason for wanting to see the couterpart is for insurance purposes. The dealer is offering "free" insurance, however, there are often hidden clauses which the insurance company who the dealer is going through often stipulate they will not insure drivers with conviction for drink drive and dangerous driving offence as the premium would be too high to offer the cover.

Agreed, I suspect, as I stated earlier in the thread that this " free " insurance will be the only reason a licence would be required.