CSA break undertaking to MP

plimsoll

Blob wrote: »

Please remember that it is both Wives,G/F's as well as Husbands and B/F's that are left behind in this day and age!

I didn't forget, I put etc etc but didn't want the list to get too long & derail my point. (BTW - you've missed off civil partners...:p)

Blob

LS, sorry you think that but I personally know a number of people myself included that get a War Pension for being wounded in the defence of the relm, that are able to hold down a good job. It is not paid because you can't get a job or loss of employment, as again I personally know of people that lost limbs to land mins that were still kept on in the forces!

It is plane and simple discrimination as was agreed by a District Judge! Unfortunatly it was beyond his remit to comment on that part of the case!

plimsoll, please forgive me yes 'Civil Partners' though we did not have any in my unit! I am sure that 'Stonewall's' reps on this site will come after me for that comment, but that is the way it was!

LizzieS_2

Why are you sorry Blob? I was trying to encourage you to think wider than just the forces, ie there are other pensions paid for injuries, eg a fireman attending an arson attack. To stand any chance of taking this up, you really do have to look at everyone, not a select group.

I'm not that familiar with csa1 which is what I recall you being on. I know from csa2 that DLA is a qualifying benefit, but any other income totalling £100pw or more is then used.

I certainly think DLA is a universal benefit which you could get as a forces employee or say fireman, so in that respect both pensions are treated equally (hence why I said widen your field).

I don't actually have a yes or no answer as to opinion over whether any pension can be used - I can see 2 arguments there each with value.

PS. The pension is paid for loss of the actual job you had. I never suggested it was paid for not being able to get another job at all.

Blob

The War Pension is a War Disability Pension, to use its full name, but it is know as a War Pension. You have to apply for it, iy is not an automatic right it is also awarded at different levels!

My fight is with the CSA as they have left me with less than I would have got on benefit, and was told that 'I don't care what happens to you, we are correct and we will take what we want!' They have lied in Court and admitted it, they have failed to follow the law and admitted it. I did not fight for this to happen in this country, I did fight to overthrow regiems that acted like this in other countries. So just why I should stop and let it happen in this country is beyond me!

So anything I can now do to get back at them and force through change and make them accountable is good as for the other people like the firemen you mention [fraudian slip may be] should they wish to take action I wish them all thte luck in the world in their fight with these people.

LizzieS_2

Blob this doesn't have to be specific to you, but can you explain all types of benefits a severely injured military person could receive, and from where, any why?

LizzieS_2

Ok you didn't want to answer so I will expand.

DLA can be refused if the war pension is at least equal to DLA that would be paid. The war pension can be greater than DLA. I wanted you to clarify those 2 points.

I agree the war pension not being taken into account at all is unfair (applies from what I understand over DLA cannot also be paid in some cases).

I agree you should contest this and attempt to make changes. Where I disagree is how I perceive you trying to make those changes (I get the impression you want the war pension deemed disregarded in full rather than a connection to the actual DLA that would be paid if the war pension didn't exist).

I appreciate you see your chosen profession as being on a pedestal for you - personally I see most jobs contribute to some form of wellbeing of all society and none are more important than others.

At the present time, some ex-military are being treated in a lesser form than others, but you stand more chance of making it even all round - a simple insertion of legislation stating the war pension includes a DLA allowance of X payable on behalf of DWP would make it even all round. That way you get the same DLA allowance as others (no more, no less) recogniseable by CSA, and the legislation doesn't have to change the current political accounting for other reports.

Blob

I accept but your point, whoever what I am going for is very simple.

If a person say falls of a lader and breaks their back, then they will get DLA.

If a person on the front line gets blown up [and that hurts I know] breaks their back they get a War Disability Pension.

Then the CSA come along and want their pound of flesh! They will take the War Pension into account and not the DLA payments.

There is also the fact that someone who has the CSA on their back and making it very difficult for them in a second relationship/marrage, possibly making even causing it to end and the effect that action is having on the moral on the troops on the front line. That is 'Giveing Aid To the Enemy' and as such is very much a crime and as I say even 'Treason'. That is the other point that I will be carrying forward. Very simply put it can't be applied to anyother line of work as it would not apply.

My personal view and it is just mine so say what you will about it, is that the basic principal of everyone paying for their kids is very good and beyond reproach. However the system we have for that in this country is bad beyond belief, and has to be changed, and in that process the people that are responsible for the deaths that have been atributed tot eh CSA by the Courts held accountable. If this is the only way to do it then that is fine by me. I have sent in a doc to the relevent offices with a way forward it has reached the highest levels of Govenment and had been discused at length, so it must hold some merit. The one factor that has to be taken into account, that is missing at this time is the ability for the parents on both sides to move on and provide for themselves. Something that they have to be able to do before they can provide for anyone else, this would be done be caping the amount that the NRP can be assesed on to a 40 hour week! I think that I have sent you a copy of the doc in question, or may be you have seen it from other sorses as it has the tasit apprivial of legal bodies as well.

Blonde_Bint

I dunno Blob. I sort of agree with you but after reading again, i'm thinking that 'joining up' will become the new 'moving abroad' trick to dodge the csa. iyswim:) If we go along those lines. someone who is dodging the csa is close to getting snared in their net and suddenly he's got some patriotism and is fighting for queen and country hey presto csa now have to back off.

btw for absolute clarity I aint havin a pop, do you get where i'm coming from with my train of thought?

Blob

BB no I dont want them to not pay. That is not the point I am after. I want War Pensions to be treated the same as DLA, and the hevey handed way the CSA go after people curbed, so they can't hound people to the point that they are made homeless, they take their own lives and that they leave NRPPs alone. It is not a lot to ask for in reallety!

Blob

PS. Forgot to put this in as well, it makes them accountable personally and will force them to follow the Law something that they refuse to do at this time!