CSA break undertaking to MP

Blob · 19 October 2009 at 9:59PM

I am not only talking about arrears, if they have found a new partner, bearing in mind that we now have both men and women on the front line, and the CSA are makeing it difficult for them to survive with the money that is left after the CSA have raided their pay.

The other thing is that if they have set up home with someone that is being hounded by the CSA to the same point, that being they cannot see a way forward, it is only natural that thet let their partner know, and thus affect them that way. This is giveing aid to teh enemy end of!

As for heros I dont mean to run the guy you were talking to, and I am sure that he would understand this point, as he would have been there, all the heros I know are dead, they were killed in action! I personally dont consider myself a hero, but that is a lable that has been put on me by a number of people that have never heard a shot fired in anger. As I say he would understand my feelings on this, we did the job we had to that is all, and we came home, not all of us did.

DX2 · 19 October 2009 at 10:01PM

Blob wrote: »

I am not only talking about arrears, if they have found a new partner, bearing in mind that we now have both men and women on the front line, and the CSA are makeing it difficult for them to survive with the money that is left after the CSA have raided their pay.

The other thing is that if they have set up home with someone that is being hounded by the CSA to the same point, that being they cannot see a way forward, it is only natural that thet let their partner know, and thus affect them that way. This is giveing aid to teh enemy end of!

As for heros I dont mean to run the guy you were talking to, and I am sure that he would understand this point, as he would have been there, all the heros I know are dead, they were killed in action! I personally dont consider myself a hero, but that is a lable that has been put on me by a number of people that have never heard a shot fired in anger. As I say he would understand my feelings on this, we did the job we had to that is all, and we came home, not all of us did.

Forces shouldn't be treated any differently to any other NRP imho.

Blob · 19 October 2009 at 10:09PM

Did not say they should but if the CSA are giveing aid to the enemy then they have to be held to account for that as would anyone else just for the record it is still called treason!

Then they are by your own words as they can't be contacted while on the front line, and the payment of CS is allegedly up to the paymaster. For his part he is ruled by QR's and the CSA has lost its fight in a Court against those!

DX2 · 19 October 2009 at 10:15PM

Blob I think you are being very melodramatic about "giving aid to the enemy"

LizzieS_2 · 19 October 2009 at 10:24PM

Blob wrote: »

I am not only talking about arrears, if they have found a new partner, bearing in mind that we now have both men and women on the front line, and the CSA are makeing it difficult for them to survive with the money that is left after the CSA have raided their pay.

The other thing is that if they have set up home with someone that is being hounded by the CSA to the same point, that being they cannot see a way forward, it is only natural that thet let their partner know, and thus affect them that way. This is giveing aid to teh enemy end of!

As for heros I dont mean to run the guy you were talking to, and I am sure that he would understand this point, as he would have been there, all the heros I know are dead, they were killed in action! I personally dont consider myself a hero, but that is a lable that has been put on me by a number of people that have never heard a shot fired in anger. As I say he would understand my feelings on this, we did the job we had to that is all, and we came home, not all of us did.

With all due respect Blob I very much doubt he would understand your point at all. Whether his ww2 experiences made him blunt and to the point I don't know (as I wasn't here to know him pre ww2), his point was always that as a frontliner you thought of nothing other than hoping you would make it through the day.

Have you ever stood on the frontline and watched one of your close friends killed in action - he did numerous times. When asked how he dealt with it, he just said that he couldn't afford to get emotional as he could lose his life if he did.

If some-one is genuinely unable to perform their duty on the front line, the forces should be identigying those individuals and removing them from danger.

Blob · 20 October 2009 at 5:13AM

Yes I have seen my friends killed, and yes you deal with it later, that is exactly why he would understand, as I understand, we are 'brothers in arms'. Yes I have dodged air attacks, yes I have been pined down in a mine fields under art fire and yes I have been there when people start to scream from their wounds and some dont move again. Yes I have spoken to others that have been in battle in other wars as well, but please remember that the wars we fight today are very different to the WW2 as in this day and age it is more a war in the shadows and there is now defined front line, the enemy dont have a uniform as such!

You haveing neve been there are thankfully missing the point, it is that if you are worried about what is happening at home for ewasons that are not involved with a war as in WW2 then you will not have your mind on the job in hand and your moral could be affected by this. If it is proved that this is the case and the CSA are responsible for it then QED they are responsible for low moral and therefor giveing aid to teh enemy, end of!

Blonde_Bint · 20 October 2009 at 9:12AM

Absolutely

LizzieS_2 · 20 October 2009 at 1:35PM

Blob wrote: »

Yes I have seen my friends killed, and yes you deal with it later

Sorry Blob, I really cannot understand how you can be capable of holding back grief in only select circumstances. The forces are trained to attempt to make them unemotional on duty (or at least they once were).

I doubt he would agree that forces staff were superior to anyone else, and they should have extra priveledges for their choice of career.

If you really want to pursue this, personally I think you should look at all society - how many people are in jobs where they could endanger lives through non-focus, how many times outside work do people make errors through not being focused, identify every single possibility over what causes people to lose focus.

In the end, yes you can chose to blame one organisation for some-ones actions (whether they be working or just going about their ordinary lives) but ultimately you have to accept that people are responsible for their own actions. I wonder how many times drivers causing accidents have blamed the csa for a sudden lack of concentration - it is bound to be on an insurance claim form somewhere, but the insurers cannot use personal failures to focus to avoid paying.

If you cause death by actions of lacking concentration by a second or two, courts don't say it wasn't your fault as you had something else on your mind and let you off. Never been to a forces court, but I would imagine they are stricter.

Steve40_2 · 20 October 2009 at 8:14PM

Sorry to butt in but if i were on the front line when the draconian csa attacked my welfare in the way that they do. i would be asking myself why im fighting for a country that allows this to happen to its people.

bigwheels36 · 20 October 2009 at 8:45PM

Blob, I support you 100%, i am still serving 23 yrs and had CSA as a NRP since 1993. I have not seen or know of my children's address, but pay £600 per month. I had letters sent to me in Bosnia in ealry 90's and in Ireland before the peace process. Wrote a letter to them (CSA) in Early Sept Huh no reply as yet! I hope you win your case and argument .