7-14% fuel saving??

tomstickland

Excellent info, I've been thinking about Acetone (Ace - Tone as we call it) and never quiet got round to it.

derrick

Having read the comments I e-mailed the representative and gave him this forums thread, he has know responded, thought you might like to read the response:-

Hello ,
Please take the time to read my response, it may be lengthy.
Thanks for your response, I'm glad you came back to me and informed me of the forum. I will post my reply soon, but I wanted to reply to you first.
I totally understand the sceptism, it's natural when a product this revolutionary hits the market. The website actually explains all the science behind it.
But the way I understand it is that your fuel system is cleaned by this 100% organic capsule and a micro-thin layer is created within your fuel system.
Each capsule is placed inside your fuel tank when it is nearly empty and you fill up. The gushing action of the fuel being pumped in dissolves the capsule fairly quickly.
The micro-thin layer then acts to catalyse the fuel and break it down to its molecular level presenting it to the combustion chamber in a much finer mist. This results in the fuel (petrol or diesel) burning more efficiently increasing the mileage of the tank and increasing the power of the vehicle. Instead of most of your fuel being burnt almost all of the fuel gets burnt. This also results in much lower emissions, therefore, it's much better for the environment.

I'm representative for the company (which is available to anyone btw) and I have just started using the capsules myself.
My results so far are: usually I put 35 liters into my tank at a cost of roughly £32.50 and I get about 280 - 290 miles out of that.
I put my first 2 capsules in on Friday (everyone must put 2 in to start with). Over the weekend I traveled to Newcastle and back after filling up with a full tank, I managed to get 369 miles out of the car!!!! Alright it was long distance driving, but there is a still a major increase. The benefits only get better with each capsule so I'm really excited about this product.

Just so you know, this form of sales is called direct sales, of which I have been involved with for 2 years. I do actually run this as a home based business alongside another big company which involves direct sales I.e. flyers and word of mouth. Therefore, I do have a reputation to uphold and as an honest and respectable businessman I would not get involved with any dodgy product or company. The only reason I am flyering this product is because I have seen the proof, I know it works!!
Now I have tried it for myself I am left with no lingering doubt.
To back this up I am prepared to meet with you and discuss the product, company and anything else. You just need to try this capsule, it will really be a phenomenon.
I will even sell you 12 for the price of 10, so your 1st 2 capsules are free for your 1st tank. The company are so confident that you'll see instant improvement that they offer a 30 day money back guarantee. Your car is fully insured against any damage with public liability insurance.
As a company we cannot offer anymore assurance.

Oh by the way, I have just been around a friends house to tell him about this amazing product. He is very much into his cars. He also said that the only way he knew of getting extra mpg was also by using Acetone. He said he tried it and there was a minor difference, but he would never use it again as it's a chemical and he didn't know the damage it was causing.

Look the only reason that forum dismissed it is because they do not have all the facts. If it's been working in the States for the last 6-7 months there's no reason why it won't work here. Us Brits are just more cynical!!!

Please give me a call or we can arrange to meet and I'll tell you all about it.
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Regards,
James

Any more comments?

tomstickland

He also said that the only way he knew of getting extra mpg was also by using Acetone. He said he tried it and there was a minor difference, but he would never use it again as it's a chemical and he didn't know the damage it was causing.

Er how does Acetone differ from Petrol in being a volatile organic compound?

The website actually explains all the science behind it.

No it doesn't, it just makes several meaningless claims.

But the way I understand it is that your fuel system is cleaned by this 100% organic capsule and a micro-thin layer is created within your fuel system.

How does a micro thin layer in a fuel system do anything for combustion efficiency?

The micro-thin layer then acts to catalyse the fuel and break it down to its molecular level presenting it to the combustion chamber in a much finer mist. This results in the fuel (petrol or diesel) burning more efficiently increasing the mileage of the tank and increasing the power of the vehicle. Instead of most of your fuel being burnt almost all of the fuel gets burnt. This also results in much lower emissions, therefore, it's much better for the environment.

Finer mist is the expanation now. Website didn't say anything about that.

This wonder product is just marketing. If it was any good then it would have been given to an independant tester to try and report back their findings. Reminds me of the time when the now defunct peformance car mag tested the Ecotek valve on a dynamometer and found no measurable difference in power or fuel consumption, despite legions of users defending the performance of it.

It's like religion, people believe because they want to believe.

derrick

Well he said he will post his reply soon, so lets see if he does and can offer any more information, because up to now I agree with you tomstickland

Wig

derrick wrote:

Well he said he will post his reply soon, so lets see if he does and can offer any more information, because up to now I agree with you tomstickland

I think you should remove his phone numbers, it amounts to using this site as advertising, I know people only have to go to his website to get contacts, but that IMO is the way it should be done, not directly from MSE.

Wig

The reply from the seller is not convincing, he's used it on one fillup and comparing a motorway journey to his regular use.

IMO the only way of doing an accurate test comparison is to have had a year or more of consistent accurate fuel useage recordings, so you know exactly how many miles you did in the whole year and exactly how much fuel was used, and it is better to have 2 or 3 years. Then start using your fuel additive and do another 1 - 3 years of recordings. Only then can any useful comparison be made.

It also sounds like the seller is in a pyramid selling scheme, his profits are split between himself, the mother company and anyone in between who was involved in his lineage of sales reps. These schemes are renowned for being rubbish and for making rediculous claims for their product without offering any independent research to back up their claims.

Turning the fuel into a finer mist is funnily enough how some people think acetone works. But it sounds like this product is a capsule containing a powder or a liquid, unless it is a big capsule there won't be enough room for the capsule to contain 50 - 75 ml of acetone. So it probably aint acetone.

Using acetone in a quantity of 0.002% is cetainly not going to cause any problems to the car. I have seen plenty of reports from people using it and none so far about any damage to the car. and I'll bet it's cheaper than his product too.

Also, the prices (in US$) are really silly, 10 caps $23 $2.30 per cap/ per fillup, which if you are in USA would be the price of an extra gallon of fuel hence an extra 30 - 40 miles anyway, you'd be better off just using that $3 to buy more fuel :rotfl:

Also the pricing and pack quantities are not clear and actually could be misleading:

1 MPG-CAP Blister Pack
1 Package of MPG-CAPS. A pack contains 10 MPG-CAPS
CV: 10
Price: $22.95


3 MPG-CAP Blister Packs
3 Packages of MPG-CAPS. Each pack contains 10 MPG-CAPS
CV: 50
Price: $68.85


6 MPG-CAP Blister Packs
6 Packages of MPG-CAPS. Each pack contains 10 MPG-CAPS
CV: 100
Price: $119.95


12 MPG-CAP Blister Packs
12 Packages of MPG-CAPS. Each pack contains 10 MPG-CAPS
CV: 200
Price: $239.95


What's the "CV" part mean? the first one is CV 10 which makes sense because you are buying 1 Blister Pack of 10 caps. But the second one is 3 blister packs (=30 caps) but the CV value is showing 50 Likewise 6 packs = 60 caps but CV is valued at 100

lipidicman

derrick wrote:

Oh by the way, I have just been around a friends house to tell him about this amazing product. He is very much into his cars. He also said that the only way he knew of getting extra mpg was also by using Acetone. He said he tried it and there was a minor difference, but he would never use it again as it's a chemical and he didn't know the damage it was causing.

I wouldn't be buying anything off of this man. Is he trying to suggest that his product (or even petrol) is NOT a chemical? :rotfl:

At least with acetone you know what you are adding.

derrick

Wig wrote:

I think you should remove his phone numbers, it amounts to using this site as advertising, I know people only have to go to his website to get contacts, but that IMO is the way it should be done, not directly from MSE.

Never thought about that, have removed numbers

tonys_3

I have read the email and reread the contents of the website.
Nowhere does it explain what is in the capsule nor how or what it coats the
combustion chamber with. Nor does it explain how these actions result in
the fuel being delivered in smaller amounts. Although were it to do so, it
would reduce the effect of the Van der Vaals forces which inhibits the
complete combustion of the fuel. However motor manufacturers themselves
have also been reducing the fuel to a fine mist when it reaches the
combustion chamber. This means that the product should have a lesser fuel
saving on the newest cars, though the blurb on the website would
indicate the opposite.
In any event, the EEC issued Directive CEE116/93 in order to provide an
accurate method of assessing fuel usage. [And using the fuel purchased/
against mileage covered is NOT accurate]. So they decided that by assessing
the exhaust emissions[which is caused by unburnt fuel] they could extrapolate
the actual amount of fuel used. After testing, they produced this formula-
every 10% of emissions reduced represented a saving of 1.6% of fuel.

Thus, using the ffi caps, the maximum they could save must be no more than
16% ie they cut the emissions by 100%. So to claim savings of 30 % going
to Newcastle and back is more than dubious.

In addition the tests they showed prove nothing. For them to be valid, they
should show the company that tested them and when, who it was who
tested them[ a
scientist or mechanical engineer for example], and his name, and his signature
confirming the test results as well as what the tests were. And under what
onditions the tests were done.
If they did the tests, these facts would be available to them, since they
would have had to have paid thousands to get the results



One more thing. Since one has to add another cap each fuel refill time, seems
to indicate that the coating doesn't last that long. If someone only uses
their car at weekends only, would much of the effect be lost?
I find the lack of verifiable information on the website disturbing. When
people are naturally sceptical about fuel savers in view of the bad press
already attached to them because so few work, it is vital that any new
business is clear and honest in its claims. This one fails on so many counts

derrick

Have had another e-mail from James, and thought some one would like to comment further so I am copying his response here, he does not want to register to answer the comments? well if he wants to comment further he will have to because I will not copy any more e-mails to me, if he is confident enough he will come on and answer the reservations personally.

12 capsules for £ 17= £1.42 each excluding the original fill requiring 2 capsules, it adds nearly 3p to the price of a litre of fuel re a 50 litre tank,which equates to about 3% of a litre of fuel, so the 7-14% needs adjusting to 4-11 % because nowhere is the cost of the capsules factored into the savings on fuel consumption. Personally it would not be worth it for me so I will not be purchasing any capsules.

Hello again.
I read and noted all the replies on the chat forum. Of course I am expecting much sceptism and questioning, this is only natural.
I agree that most fuel saving products have a bad name as they generally do not deliver the desired results.
I have not posted a reply directly on the forum as it means I have to register and really I am not that intent on proving you guys wrong.
Though I would like you to have the facts.
It's ridiculous for one guy to suggest that for real proof I need to use the product in my car over a year. If I am having pleasing results
within the first few tanks and beyond then that is proof enough that the product achieves the results FFi claim.
Also, on the website it clearly states that the product has been tested on 20 million miles of double blind testing. The facts speak for themselves.
I never said that I achieved a 30% increase, I just gave you my results for that weekend and stated it was a long distance journey. But I know for
a fact that my car has never achieved 369 miles from a tank of fuel, it has never achieved anything over 300 miles.
My next 2 tanks have achieved 318 and 344 miles respectively, which is a combination of town and motorway driving. The results are happening and I'm completely confident others will see the same. The chat forum is quite obviously full of technical engineers (no sarcasm intended). I stated that I am no engineer or mechanic but explained the product as I understood it. I got the fundamentals right if not the technicalities. The capsule basically improves the combustion of your vehicle.
FFi are currently shipping the product to 90 countries currently, the demand is out stripping the supply. It's been going for 7 months and the company is booming and growing faster than they could ever have hoped for. That says a lot I think.
To answer your friends question: "How does a micro thin layer in a fuel system do anything for combustion efficiency?"
The caps first of all clean, lubricate and condition the entire fuel system. The micro thin layer acts to catalyse the fuel and break it down to it's molecular level.

But listen, let's stop arguing over the technicalities as anyone can pick holes in anything if they look and try hard enough. I mean why wait until the this product is well known over here until you start using it. What's the harm in trying it now if you're covered by up to a million pound in liability insurance by FFi and the manufacturer.
I am selling 12 for the price of 10 at £17 currently. The company guarantee's an improvement of 7-14% on your mpg!!! If there is zero improvement you'll get your money back. Just make sure you use them correctly i.e. 2 in the 1st tank, 2 in the 2nd tank and 1 thereafter with every fill up. Put the caps in an empty tank and be aware of what your vehicle was achieving prior to the caps.

I am happy for yourself or your chat room associates to meet with me or talk to me over the telephone. Also, I agree for you to post this in the chat room, but please note I am not looking to antagonise anyone. I know the product I have in my hands is the real deal and once sampled will convert even the most hardened cynic.

With the up most respect to everyone in the chat forum, before they begin spouting off about pyramid schemes and the meaning of 'cv' they really should check their facts. Network marketing as it is known, is widely accepted as a leading major industry, this is a legitimate business opportunity. Pyramid selling is actually illegal!!

Look forward to your reply.
Regards,
James.