I need a true unlimited broadband or 50Gb

DrScotsman

Except with a real all you can eat buffet they would hopefully bring more pork chops out in a few minutes.

Unlimited internet is like going to a restaurant that says "All you can eat (max one plate per person)", and the plate is tiny. And one of your friends are trying to steal your plate when you're not looking.

gjchester

Cumbrian_Male wrote: »

Due to my son returning from Uni to study locally our usage has shot up. Just under 50Gb a month as he downloads and streams a lot of US TV and music.

We have now been capped at 512Kbs during peak hours of 6pm-12 midnight.

As has been mentioned it's probably all illegal content, none of the big US Networks streams shows to the UK as they won't have licenced the rights. Try going to ABC.com, try watching a show, it detects your IP and tells you you are not in the USA and you can't watch it (mind you so does the iplayer if your in the USA for most shows). Ditto music, and as also has been mentioned doesn't matter what you say about your son, your the one they will fine.
Gaming is bandwith heavy but not that heavy you'll use 50gb a month.


That look at your ISP's terms, most throttle users who download at peak times, if you download between midnight to 6am then they may not be too bothered. Most p2p clients will let you set a scheduled, use it.

Orange say

If you don't use file sharing software or download large files from the Internet it's unlikely you'll ever be affected by this policy. If you do, all we ask is that you do so considerately, perhaps by downloading outside the peak hours of 6pm to midnight.

Why not try the "cheap" option of asking him to NOT download at peak times, if he does that he'll get the files faster as the connection's not capped, and you'll get a better surfing speed.

savemoney

Hope things arent too bad where you are at mo Op with weather

I am looking at moving to Aquiss in next few days with adsl 2 LLU for £28 business unlimited too. Currently with Zen they are brilliant but only have 2mb with 100gb cap

Cumbrian_Male

Hi savemoney

Weather has been bad, much flooding and Keswick and Cockermouth badly affected. Lots of standing water on roads with traffic down to 20 mph at times.

Back on topic

All I want is to pay for an true uncapped service, all these unlimited downloads but we will throttle and shape you to death are a nightmare. To watch US content just connect via a proxy in the US, same for iplayer abroad use a UK proxy.

The internet is changing the world we live in just look at the recent PRS agreements to view music videos on youtube, look at what will soon be available via google books online copies of circa 100,000 texts many out of print.

gjchester

Cumbrian_Male wrote: »

To watch US content just connect via a proxy in the US, same for iplayer abroad use a UK proxy.

The internet is changing the world we live in just look at the recent PRS agreements to view music videos on youtube, look at what will soon be available via google books online copies of circa 100,000 texts many out of print.

That's still illegal, just because it's technically possible doesn't make it legal. Google books will be limited to US based IP's, again there may be technical ways round it but it doesn't make it legal.

Back on topic the only way you'll get a truely unlimited connection is probably switch to a business product. Plusnet do one for £25 a month which is unlimited downloads BUT they deliberatly slow peer to peer and gaming traffic during working hours on that line, but ensure your email and surfing is running full speed,which is probably better for a business anyway. You could go to a leased line which guarantees a speed all the time, but genereally you pay for the amount of data transferred as well as the rental of the line.

Cumbrian_Male

gjchester wrote: »

That's still illegal, just because it's technically possible doesn't make it legal. Google books will be limited to US based IP's, again there may be technical ways round it but it doesn't make it legal.

Google books have licensing agreements in place for US UK & European IP's to have access. I shall look for it online tonight but was reported in the Times, Tues. from memory.

Please tell me what law I would be charged under for using a proxy to view region specific content. If multi region dvd players are legal where is online any different.

gjchester

Cumbrian_Male wrote: »

Google books have licensing agreements in place for US UK & European IP's to have access. I shall look for it online tonight but was reported in the Times, Tues. from memory.

It was reported on the bbc last friday they don't have permission (yet!) but are still scanning books anyway.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/8357773.stm

and also that it will be to US citzens only (also said in the Times)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/11/google_books_the_latest_chapte.html

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article6919335.ece

I think what you are referring to is that UK authours may have there books scanned *if* they are stores in US libraries.

Cumbrian_Male wrote: »

Please tell me what law I would be charged under for using a proxy to view region specific content. If multi region dvd players are legal where is online any different.

TV programs are licenced by a terratory, the broadcaster is obliged to ensure the signal cannot be recieved outside there region. Thats why you can't legally buy a Sky card for your Villa in Spain, Sky don't buy the rights to broadcast shows outside the UK. If they use say location based IP check then by using a US proxy, and acting to circumventing the protection on a file your breaking the Digital Millenium Copyright Act in the US (where your accessing the content from). You'd also be breaking the EU (and as its enacted in UK law) European Copyright Directive as you are using technical measures to circumvent restrictions put in place to prevent you accessing content not licenced to be watched in your territory.
And yes that applies to a DVD player too, by making it region free (even if it's as simple as entering a "secret" code ) you've just broke the EUCD, and could be prosecuted.

And yes I also know realistically it will never happen with a dvd player theres too many of them out there. But everytime you use any filesharing service you leave a trace in terms of your IP that can be followed back to you. If your son is consistantly hitting bandwith limits by downloading so much chances are it's a when rather than a if he will get caught. If Mandellon gets his way then once your caught and convicted of filesharing then you won't have to worry about a cap as they'll disconnect your service. Even money says you'll then be black listed and no-one will offer you a service. (I know it's not law yet but it's planned to come in on 2011).

Your right in your earlier statement that the internet is changing the world we live in, especially digital entertainment. Unfortunalty Copyright law is NOT keeping up with that change, and the media industry is trying it's hardest to make sure you keep paying the most it can get from your wallet, be it by DRM to lock files down, or lobbying to keep the restrictive copyright laws in place.

I'm not going to tell you to stop, you seem to know the risks, and I assume your son does and it's your lookout, but whoever's name the line is in will be the one they come after.

Cumbrian_Male

gjchester wrote: »

It was reported on the bbc last friday they don't have permission (yet!) but are still scanning books anyway.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/8357773.stm

and also that it will be to US citzens only (also said in the Times)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/11/google_books_the_latest_chapte.html

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article6919335.ece

I think what you are referring to is that UK authours may have there books scanned *if* they are stores in US libraries.

I stand corrected, I had skim read it in the dentists waiting room and picked it up wrong. They are saying it will come to the UK but it seems there will be many more chapters before they reach an agreement.

gjchester wrote: »

TV programs are licenced by a terratory, the broadcaster is obliged to ensure the signal cannot be recieved outside there region. Thats why you can't legally buy a Sky card for your Villa in Spain, Sky don't buy the rights to broadcast shows outside the UK. If they use say location based IP check then by using a US proxy, and acting to circumventing the protection on a file your breaking the Digital Millenium Copyright Act in the US (where your accessing the content from). You'd also be breaking the EU (and as its enacted in UK law) European Copyright Directive as you are using technical measures to circumvent restrictions put in place to prevent you accessing content not licenced to be watched in your territory.
And yes that applies to a DVD player too, by making it region free (even if it's as simple as entering a "secret" code ) you've just broke the EUCD, and could be prosecuted.

And yes I also know realistically it will never happen with a dvd player theres too many of them out there. But everytime you use any filesharing service you leave a trace in terms of your IP that can be followed back to you. If your son is consistantly hitting bandwith limits by downloading so much chances are it's a when rather than a if he will get caught. If Mandellon gets his way then once your caught and convicted of filesharing then you won't have to worry about a cap as they'll disconnect your service. Even money says you'll then be black listed and no-one will offer you a service. (I know it's not law yet but it's planned to come in on 2011).

Your right in your earlier statement that the internet is changing the world we live in, especially digital entertainment. Unfortunalty Copyright law is NOT keeping up with that change, and the media industry is trying it's hardest to make sure you keep paying the most it can get from your wallet, be it by DRM to lock files down, or lobbying to keep the restrictive copyright laws in place.

I'm not going to tell you to stop, you seem to know the risks, and I assume your son does and it's your lookout, but whoever's name the line is in will be the one they come after.

No need to worry about Mandy and his lot, I don't think they will be here come May 2010.

They keep trying to stop the tide of digital media like King Canute but they would be better served by licensing the content and making it available at a reasonable cost. I personally think artists should receive royalties for their work and don't use torrents or download illegal music. I do however prefer to buy my media digitally, can't see the need to have discs burnt and then warehoused, shipped and retailed. CD's used to be £12-13 but now £7-8 in supermarkets, cdwow play etc and that's still physical media. I would love to buy albums for £2 online but the greedy distributors want to keep eating their cake.

Thank you for enlightening me to the intricacies of the international copyright laws.

We have only hit 50gb 3 times and have never heard from our ISP previously and I just want to buy what we need so probably a 20-30gb allowance with a PAYG top up facility would work for us.

gjchester

Cumbrian_Male wrote: »

Thank you for enlightening me to the intricacies of the international copyright laws.

Erm yea, sorry went on a bit there...

Copyright laws are stuck in the past. The UK law *STILL* does not grant you the "fair use" right to make a copy of anything you own, so taping a LP to a Tape, or ripping a CD to a MP3 is still illegall, but no-ones ever going to stop it or be prosecuted over it.

The internet means you can (and do) buy an item from the otherside of the globe for less than in a local shop, but as I said the media companies are more interested in getting the most from your wallet than anything else. I can't remember the last time I bought a "new" CD (partly as my musical tastes are older artists / groups who have split up / died and partly as I buy CD's used a lot.) but I can't see why I should pay the same for a digital download as the physical product, when I'm supplying the power, bandwidth and blank CD.

Anyway sorry I went on.....

Cumbrian_Male

gjchester wrote: »

Erm yea, sorry went on a bit there...

Copyright laws are stuck in the past. The UK law *STILL* does not grant you the "fair use" right to make a copy of anything you own, so taping a LP to a Tape, or ripping a CD to a MP3 is still illegall, but no-ones ever going to stop it or be prosecuted over it.

The internet means you can (and do) buy an item from the otherside of the globe for less than in a local shop, but as I said the media companies are more interested in getting the most from your wallet than anything else. I can't remember the last time I bought a "new" CD (partly as my musical tastes are older artists / groups who have split up / died and partly as I buy CD's used a lot.) but I can't see why I should pay the same for a digital download as the physical product, when I'm supplying the power, bandwidth and blank CD.

Anyway sorry I went on.....

Sorry no sarcasm intended. I genuinely appreciate you taking the time, many will just shoot you down or criticise without taking the time to support their argument.

The above bold is my point also, if they charged a reasonable fee, instead of trying to screw you for as much as possible, to cover the artist royalties, advertising,hosting etc. then there would be less illegal downloading.

Cheers :beer: