Hoooow much?!

Debt_Free_Chick

CG77 wrote: »

Thanks for your reply DFC. I'm probably just being really dim (maths isn't my strong point!) but how does that work? We pay her per hour based on the number of hours she has my little one each month. He's only with her part time, so we just pay her the hours he's there (or not when she's on holiday as she is at the moment!).

I'm genuinely open to understanding this, but maybe my brain's not working?

CG. x

Your childminder has an annual rate of pay she (or he!) needs to achieve. Let's say it's £12k pa

You want her to have your little un for an hour a week. That's 52 hours each year. But you want 6 weeks holiday each year - fair enough.

52 hours a year to earn £12k is £230 per week. So she needs to earn this each and every week including those weeks when she has no children to mind.

Her choice is to charge you 1/52 of the annual cost of minding your child each week. Or, if you have 6 weeks holiday, then your childminder charges you 1/46 of her annual charge, but only for those weeks when your child is with her. So .... 1/46 of her annual charge (£12k) over 46 weeks is £260 per week.

You either pay £230 per week for 52 weeks of the year i.e. including those weeks when you are on holiday, or £260 per week for 46 weeks of the year, so that you get 6 weeks "free" when you pay nothing.

Overall, you pay £x spread over the year.

beks

I think it varies depending on the nursery and where in the country you are. We used to live in the SW and paid £36/day and had to pay for when dd wasnt there and for when they were closed on Bankholidays and when it snowed etc.
We now live in the SE and pay £25/day and dont pay extras. If we give 2 weeks notice, we dont have to pay for her place if she isnt there. We do pay if she is ill but I would expect that. The one she goes to now is government funded and has some sort of local sponsorship whereas the previous one was a private one although nationwide.
Worth looking around but I dont think it is uncommon to pay.

mountainofdebt

When my lad was in day nursery,many moons ago, if we went on holiday, provided we had given the necessary notice

Running_Horse

Use a childminder. Ours is flexible enough to account for my shift patterns, and we both nominate half-price holidays. Plus she is being cared for in a family home by a self-employed friend, not in a baby barn by an employee. Not bad for £30 per day.

CG77

kelloggs36 wrote: »

But you are getting the service - you have chosen not to use it but it is being kept open for you. The nursery won't be able to offer a 5 week per year place to another child will they?

No Kellogs you've misread my post. I am not getting the service-the childminder is going on holiday for 5 weeks and still being paid to have my child and any other child she would normally have on that day/week.

CG. x

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I picked my grandson (one off) up fro nursery yesterday and imo sending him there is worth every penny for the care and attention and feeding that he gets. I wish they had had nurseries in my day. The group he was in was like a family group and you could feel the good atmosphere

They have overheads and so of course you should pay for the days not attended. Its a fact of life these days if a woman wants to stay on the career ladder and speaking as a sahm from 30 years ago, the children at a good nursery are benefitting way way more than children kept in confinement at home. Play school etc doesn`t do it as much as a GOOD nursery. By the way my opinion has completely changed re working mums. They can have the penny and the bun but for a few years, no money and that is fact

CG77

Debt_Free_Chick wrote: »

Your childminder has an annual rate of pay she (or he!) needs to achieve. Let's say it's £12k pa

You want her to have your little un for an hour a week. That's 52 hours each year. But you want 6 weeks holiday each year - fair enough.

52 hours a year to earn £12k is £230 per week. So she needs to earn this each and every week including those weeks when she has no children to mind.

Her choice is to charge you 1/52 of the annual cost of minding your child each week. Or, if you have 6 weeks holiday, then your childminder charges you 1/46 of her annual charge, but only for those weeks when your child is with her. So .... 1/46 of her annual charge (£12k) over 46 weeks is £260 per week.

You either pay £230 per week for 52 weeks of the year i.e. including those weeks when you are on holiday, or £260 per week for 46 weeks of the year, so that you get 6 weeks "free" when you pay nothing.

Overall, you pay £x spread over the year.

Thanks for taking the time to reply DFC,

I think I'm still being incredibly dim (not difficult for me!), but how does this justify HER 5 weeks of holiday? I'm not disputing we should pay when we're away, just when she is.

Sorry if it's just me being thick!

CG. x

anguk

CG77 wrote: »

Thanks for taking the time to reply DFC,

I think I'm still being incredibly dim (not difficult for me!), but how does this justify HER 5 weeks of holiday? I'm not disputing we should pay when we're away, just when she is.

Sorry if it's just me being thick!

CG. x

I can understand what you're saying. I think it's right that you pay her when you go on holiday but it doesn't seem right that you pay her when she goes on holiday.

If she was your employee then that would be a different matter but she isn't she's self employed and normally self-employed people don't get holiday pay.

As you say your window cleaner is self-employed but you wouldn't pay him when he's on holiday and not cleaning your windows.

In fact I can't think of any self-employed person who still gets paid while they're on holiday?

BeenieCat

Well if a childminder advertises her services at £3 an hour, then that's what i'd expect to pay.

And most DO advertise @per hour rates. I certainly wouldn't expect to pay £3 per hour in the weeks she wasn't looking after my child.

So if my kid is there 16 hours a week. 16 x £3 = £48pw x 47 wks(her hols) = £2256
But she expects to be paid for her holidays. £48pw x 52 wks = £2496 = £3.32 per hour.

I think a lot of people would get caught out by this, and think they're paying £3 per hour when they weren't. Same applies to nurseries and i'm sure i was but it's been a few years now so i can't do anything about it!

Barneysmom

We take our 2 dogs on holiday with us, they love it on the beach :cool: