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Me too.I hope you also taught them about the mess she inherited
I would just like to wish Mrs Thatcher a very happy 84th birthday today.
:D:D
I will teach my kids that Maggie managed to use her exceptional leadership and wisdom to put Unionists to to the sword, unionists that were crippling the country at the time.
As for lazy people having to go work, ah, diddums. They better get used to it, because from now on, we are on a steady slide back towards the early 80's.
Maggies big mistake was closing the collieries (not a bad decision imo) without introducing alternative work in the area. If she had generated jobs, perhaps putting miners into courses for construction, plumbing and woodwork, I bet they would have grumbled, but not still habitually vote labour.0 -
Me too.
I will teach my kids that Maggie managed to use her exceptional leadership and wisdom to put Unionists to to the sword, unionists that were crippling the country at the time.
As for lazy people having to go work, ah, diddums. They better get used to it, because from now on, we are on a steady slide back towards the early 80's.
Maggies big mistake was closing the collieries (not a bad decision imo) without introducing alternative work in the area. If she had generated jobs, perhaps putting miners into courses for construction, plumbing and woodwork, I bet they would have grumbled, but not still habitually vote labour.
She might have put unionists to the sword but she also completely trashed british industry - thats throwing the baby out with the bath water IMO.
Lets not forget how much unemployment went up under Maggie - it wasn't just the lazy people not working, it was also half the people who did want to work.
I'm sure history will repeat itself - I would advise against gloating about it though - you never know how you might be affected.0 -
I hope you also taught them about the mess she inherited
I would just like to wish Mrs Thatcher a very happy 84th birthday today.:D:D
Her and Ali G, another comedian:D:D 'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
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Me too.
I will teach my kids that Maggie managed to use her exceptional leadership and wisdom to put Unionists to to the sword, unionists that were crippling the country at the time.
As for lazy people having to go work, ah, diddums. They better get used to it, because from now on, we are on a steady slide back towards the early 80's.
Maggies big mistake was closing the collieries (not a bad decision imo) without introducing alternative work in the area. If she had generated jobs, perhaps putting miners into courses for construction, plumbing and woodwork, I bet they would have grumbled, but not still habitually vote labour.
If you think Margaret Thatcher was (is) a conservative in the true sense of the word you are mistaken. She was a neo liberal - and her policies were neo liberal.
Listening to Cameron last week, I got the impression that he was more of conservative, in the true sense of the word than Margaret Thatcher ever was.
The central claim of neo liberal economists since the 1970's has been that
money and markets left to their own devices will produce more wealth and well being than more regulated distributive policies.
It's probably fairly evident now that nothing could have been further from the truth. When Margaret Thatcher demutualised the building societies and allowed banks to become mortgage lenders, she set in train a series of events that brought an explosion of wealth to the few - city traders / bank directors etc, while the cost of housing and borrowing rose.
We have become, not a property owning democracy, but a debt ridden society with people and business spending ever higher proportions of their incomes to rent the money to buy homes and run businesses.
Neo-liberalism is the belief that when the rich are free from being morally and legally restrained by the needs of others, wealth will grow for all. Right.
Could labour have reversed it? Highly unlikely, even if they wanted to, once started deregulation would have been difficult to reverse - and it worked after a fashion for nearly 30 years, didn't it?0 -
The_White_Horse wrote: »cut cut cut and then cut again. then slash the wages of those that remain.
remember public sector, you are just a drain and cost to the wealth producing sector that funds you. you contribute nothing.
you are paid too much, there are too many of you and you are hopefully going to get what you deserve - a dose of reality.
blah, blah, blah, some appear totally incapable of adding anything to a debate and after a while the white horse turns into white noise.Unsecured debt £0 :beer:
Credit cards £0 :beer:
Mortgage £81k MF date Jan 2024, now with added va-va-voom Dec 2019!! :beer:
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thescouselander wrote: »She might have put unionists to the sword but she also completely trashed british industry - thats throwing the baby out with the bath water IMO.
Lets not forget how much unemployment went up under Maggie - it wasn't just the lazy people not working, it was also half the people who did want to work.
I'm sure history will repeat itself - I would advise against gloating about it though - you never know how you might be affected.
No she didn't, the British people lousy management and union militancy did that.
Do you actually remember the good old days when it took a year to get a telephone line installed, waited ages for a British made car then watch as it was towed when it broke down. Its no wonder the buying public found it cheaper and the quality was better by buying foreign.
The three day week. constant power cuts, rubbish piled up in the streets indeed those were the days how we miss them !
It was Maggie who brought Nissan to the UK which then kick-started other foreign investment.
Love her or hate her and Maggie seems to be one of those figures who divide society, but a lot of what she did was necessary given the state the UK was in at the time ."The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
Bertrand Russell. British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 - 1970)0 -
No she didn't, the British people lousy management and union militancy did that.
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Yes she did :eek:'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
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Concise...... Is it New Labour panto season ?
We could have done with some of this from Maggie
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20091013/tuk-vauxhall-uk-factories-saved-by-deal-6323e80.html
The UK Government, chiefly the Prime Minister and Lord Mandelson, has been pivotal to reaching agreement today.:beer:'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0
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