Public sector pensions nearly over?

roysterer

I can't recall seing any Private Police Constables jobs being advertised anywhere??
Iv'e seen security jobs for £7 per hour, I don't think they would be interested in that though.
Yes they should move off front line operations at age 55. They should move over into Custody, Community, Admin untill they reach normal retirement age of 65.
Maybe we should have a Private Police Force? It may even have to be more accountable? Perhaps the streets may become safer?
The woman who committed suicide with her daughter through being terrorised in her own home might have thought so?
Was it not a Senior Police Officer from that poor woman's County of Leicestershire who claimed " It is not the Polices' problem to deal with anti social behaviour". I expect he said that so he can retire even earlier thats after he as been suspended for 2 years on full pay.

I rest my case your honour.

ffacoffipawb

dzug1 wrote: »

Well yes - but one conclusion you could draw from that is that the PM is underpaid

The current PM is very overpaid.

(At the time of posting this is the incompetent Gordon Brown, probably the worst PM in the world.)

Robert_Tycelyn

bumpoowee wrote: »

Unfortunately my experience working with ex-public sector employees has put me off for life, I'd rather remove my liver with a teaspoon than work in an environment with so many incompetent and lazy people again.

As a public sector worker I've had yet another lazy day yet I'm still competent enough to put a teaspoon on ebay for you to bid on!

Gazpablo

You know what, I've read this thread through from start to finish and I would just like to say that I'm sick to death of people slagging off public sector workers, the majority of whom are hard working, decent folk. Everyone deserves a decent pension whatever sector they work in, provided they have paid in for that pension. Try living in a world where there are no rubbish collections, no sewage treatment, no education for children, no care for the elderly. For goodness sake don't be taken in by right wing newspapers, right wing politicians (and their friends the bankers) who stoke up the flames of envy. No good will come of people arguing and fighting each other over pensions envy. Many people who had entered into a contract to secure a decent pension (often 30 or 40 years ago) have a perfectly legal right to have that contract honoured. If contracts are not honoured then we are all well and truly in the mire.

marklv

roysterer wrote: »

I can't recall seing any Private Police Constables jobs being advertised anywhere??
Iv'e seen security jobs for £7 per hour, I don't think they would be interested in that though.
Yes they should move off front line operations at age 55. They should move over into Custody, Community, Admin untill they reach normal retirement age of 65.
Maybe we should have a Private Police Force? It may even have to be more accountable? Perhaps the streets may become safer?
The woman who committed suicide with her daughter through being terrorised in her own home might have thought so?
Was it not a Senior Police Officer from that poor woman's County of Leicestershire who claimed " It is not the Polices' problem to deal with anti social behaviour". I expect he said that so he can retire even earlier thats after he as been suspended for 2 years on full pay.

I rest my case your honour.

Private police? Yes, we could have vigilantes - I would volunteer and go chav-bashing round the local council estates. That would be fun! :rotfl:

No doubt there are real jobsworths in the Police, but you miss the point. The Police are constrained by all this stupid 'human rights' legislation that has been introduced over the last few decades. To do anything as a police officer you need to fill in a thousand forms and check that you are not breaking some human rights law etc. We need to go back to basics on policing.

marklv

Gazpablo wrote: »

You know what, I've read this thread through from start to finish and I would just like to say that I'm sick to death of people slagging off public sector workers, the majority of whom are hard working, decent folk. Everyone deserves a decent pension whatever sector they work in, provided they have paid in for that pension. Try living in a world where there are no rubbish collections, no sewage treatment, no education for children, no care for the elderly. For goodness sake don't be taken in by right wing newspapers, right wing politicians (and their friends the bankers) who stoke up the flames of envy. No good will come of people arguing and fighting each other over pensions envy. Many people who had entered into a contract to secure a decent pension (often 30 or 40 years ago) have a perfectly legal right to have that contract honoured. If contracts are not honoured then we are all well and truly in the mire.

The funny thing is that I am very right wing on a lot of social issues, but on economics I am quite socialistic. I wonder where that puts me? :rolleyes:

The trouble is that all these right wing papers are either owned by foreigners, like Murdoch, or people working for the interests of elite, hidden groups with secret agendas. The intention is to brainwash people into believing that undiluted capitalism is the answer to everything and that the rich need to get richer if we are all to benefit. It started with Thatcher and has continued right up until now. Even Brown is hardly a traditional Labour politician.

DVardysShadow

roysterer wrote: »

You acknowledge that defined contribution pensions are in your words
"NOT PENSIONS AT ALL", and "WORTHLESS", yet for thousands upon thousands of working people they are being told daily that there Final Salary Pensions are ceasing and all future entitlement will be Defined Contribution. Will the Public Sector be the only workers in this country to be on Final Salary Pension Schemes in say 5 years time? The answer to that will be NO.
I started this thread with the question WHEN will the Public Sector fall in line with the Private Sector. If you think tax payers will revolt when your
Final Salary (Full Pension at age 55) ends you are seriously mistaken. As for threatening there will be a Public Sector strike if the Government removes these unsustainable pensions you are in Fantasy Land. These pensions WILL END and the time is NOW. So take your head out of the sand join the real world we are all suffering in at the moment.
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I think if you want heads out of the sand, the question you should be asking is not "Why should only public sector workers get this?" it should be "Why are the rest of us not getting Final Salary Pensions?".

At the moment, it looks like you are cheerleading for the bankers. When you poke Public Sector Workers in the eye for having final salary pensions, you are poking everyone in the eye who realises the value of a pension and would like the opportunity which most people had a few years ago.

marklv

True. Thirty years ago nearly every medium and large company offered final salary pensions. It was taken for granted and every middle class worker (as well as lots of working class ones) could expect to retire at 60 on a comfortable, index linked pension worth 2/3 of salary. Now, this crucial benefit has been taken away, with the pathetic excuse that it's too expensive. Is everyone blind? Can people not see that this is a pack of lies? Yes, people are living longer - because of advances in medical science - but the ageing process is not any slower than it was in 1970! You get older at the same rate! This age thing is just an excuse to cut valuable benefits and make more money for the top directors ('fat cats') and the leading shareholders (mostly banks).

bumpoowee

marklv wrote: »

OK, if ATMs shut down it's not the end of the world - people will just have to use human bank tellers like they did in the 1950s. If the NHS and Police shut down you get mass death, violence and anarchy. Which is worse?

If the private sector discontinued production of the equipment used by the NHS and the Police then there would still be 'mass death, violence and anarchy'. Not to mention that there would be no tax to pay public sector workers wages. No one is saying the public sector is not a necessity, but to suggest the private sector is any less necessary is just ignorance.

bumpoowee

marklv wrote: »

True. Thirty years ago nearly every medium and large company offered final salary pensions. It was taken for granted and every middle class worker (as well as lots of working class ones) could expect to retire at 60 on a comfortable, index linked pension worth 2/3 of salary. Now, this crucial benefit has been taken away, with the pathetic excuse that it's too expensive. Is everyone blind? Can people not see that this is a pack of lies? Yes, people are living longer - because of advances in medical science - but the ageing process is not any slower than it was in 1970! You get older at the same rate! This age thing is just an excuse to cut valuable benefits and make more money for the top directors ('fat cats') and the leading shareholders (mostly banks).

So I take it you don't think life expectancy increasing makes pensions more expensive? Why is this?

A reasonable guess at life expectancy of somebody who is now 21 would probably be about 90. So assuming they start work now and retire at 60, they would spend 39 years of their life working. They would then spend 30 years of their life claiming a final salary pension at 2/3. Not to mention that they would spend their first 21 years being a net burden on the state due to not working. What proportion of income do you suppose would need to be set aside in order to support this?