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internationalhardman wrote: »

Well, that shows just how out of touch you are.

If you were to visit Raleigh now you would see that recruits are given yogurt shakes and nutri grain bars because they don't think they get enough calories in the galley, new recruits only have to complete one kit muster successfully, no more press up's for gobbing off as that is now "bullying" and things like running up to the fire school with a mattress on you back are history. Recruits can also now have items sent away every week to be washed and pressed. Mobile phones are allowed during personal time.

My original post stated "the training is a doddle now..." not "the training was a doddle ten years ago" Come on... its not rocket science.

Bet you were a dabber :rolleyes2

Maybe you should have got a better NAMET :rotfl:

Sorry to restart an old thread but as Ive just gone through basic training, I thought i'd clarify your comments. You may think its got easier, but you should honestly have a go at it now - its not easier - its just different; and that comes from the training instructors themselves.

We dont have milkshakes - we have a bottle of juice and a nutri grain bar if you want it as a 4th meal - you often cant go to the naffi in the evening due to being so busy.

You dont have all your laundry sent off - just bedsheets and a set of 4's a week. you dont have to pass just one kit muster - if you fail your re-takes on any kit muster then you are training extended then eventually discharged. You still have to pass all 3 kit musters (just for reference, I passed all 3 first time - and 5 people from my division were backclassed for kit).

Mobile phones - so what if they can be used in personal time?! Mobiles werent in common useage 10 years ago as they are today so of course the rules are going to be different. Rules do change and get modified throughout time to allow for cultural changes - anyone can see that!

As for press ups for 'gobbing off' - well, this just shows how much you really know. You are still given press ups or other such wake up activites when you do something stupid - im comparatively old to go through basic training so will generally not have done stupid things - but even I did press ups for a variety of offences. I have been subjected to team punishements such as running to a certain place and back again (granted, mattresses stayed on beds); smoking bans; extra PT class etc etc. And ive heard some of the bollockings other recruits have been given during warnings etc so if you think current recruits are getting off lightly, then you are mistaken.

Just because people arent being 'bullied' as you put it - doesnt mean they arent being tested to their limits. I think the record is now straight so ill leave it at that.

Jo

tartanterra

jw1096 wrote: »

Sorry to restart an old thread but as Ive just gone through basic training, I thought i'd clarify your comments. You may think its got easier, but you should honestly have a go at it now - its not easier - its just different; and that comes from the training instructors themselves.

We dont have milkshakes - we have a bottle of juice and a nutri grain bar if you want it as a 4th meal - you often cant go to the naffi in the evening due to being so busy.

You dont have all your laundry sent off - just bedsheets and a set of 4's a week. you dont have to pass just one kit muster - if you fail your re-takes on any kit muster then you are training extended then eventually discharged. You still have to pass all 3 kit musters (just for reference, I passed all 3 first time - and 5 people from my division were backclassed for kit).

Mobile phones - so what if they can be used in personal time?! Mobiles werent in common useage 10 years ago as they are today so of course the rules are going to be different. Rules do change and get modified throughout time to allow for cultural changes - anyone can see that!

As for press ups for 'gobbing off' - well, this just shows how much you really know. You are still given press ups or other such wake up activites when you do something stupid - im comparatively old to go through basic training so will generally not have done stupid things - but even I did press ups for a variety of offences. I have been subjected to team punishements such as running to a certain place and back again (granted, mattresses stayed on beds); smoking bans; extra PT class etc etc. And ive heard some of the bollockings other recruits have been given during warnings etc so if you think current recruits are getting off lightly, then you are mistaken.

Just because people arent being 'bullied' as you put it - doesnt mean they arent being tested to their limits. I think the record is now straight so ill leave it at that.

Jo

Very well put; but putting the record straight?

I doubt it. You may have been through training recently, but as you didn't do it twenty years ago then you don't really have anything to compare it with.

Training is easier now, and that's for a very simple reason.
The "wastage" rate of recruits over 20 years ago was extremely high and there was certainly no "extended training" for repeatedly failing kit musters - it was "out the door" straight away for anyone who wasn't cutting it.
This came at a high financial cost, and monetary pressures are far greater now than they were then. There has been a concerted effort over many years now, to get as many through training as possible at the cheapest cost. Whilst the higher echelons of the RN obviously deny it is the case, the standards expected of recruits has been gently lowered over the years to ensure that more personnel make it through training. It's also a response to the fact that the youngsters being targeted by the recruiters are not as fit as those of many years ago, due to lack of outdoor activities, obesity, the selling off of school sports fields etc.
That means that you are right in a way, training is "different" to "allow for cultural changes". Unfortunately, that's just another way of saying training has become easier to allow for less wastage and unfit recruits.

I'm sure you are proud of what you have achieved, and YOU SHOULD BE! However, times have changed, as has training.

Don't take this as a criticism; it's not meant to be. Many of the jobs you will do these days are far harder than they were several years ago, as the kit is more complicated and manpower has been cut to the bone. And of course, it's highly likely that you will spend at least some of your time in Ahfganistan if your in the RN for the long haul.

Just one word of advice, DON'T start telling your Chiefs' that your training was as hard as theirs! You will definitely NOT enjoy the response!!!!:rotfl:

Good luck with your career, Shippers. I hope you'll have as good a time as I've had.:D

Killick_Writer,_not_LLOGS

tartanterra wrote: »

Very well put; but putting the record straight?

I doubt it. You may have been through training recently, but as you didn't do it twenty years ago then you don't really have anything to compare it with.

Training is easier now, and that's for a very simple reason.
The "wastage" rate of recruits over 20 years ago was extremely high and there was certainly no "extended training" for repeatedly failing kit musters - it was "out the door" straight away for anyone who wasn't cutting it.
This came at a high financial cost, and monetary pressures are far greater now than they were then. There has been a concerted effort over many years now, to get as many through training as possible at the cheapest cost. Whilst the higher echelons of the RN obviously deny it is the case, the standards expected of recruits has been gently lowered over the years to ensure that more personnel make it through training. It's also a response to the fact that the youngsters being targeted by the recruiters are not as fit as those of many years ago, due to lack of outdoor activities, obesity, the selling off of school sports fields etc.
That means that you are right in a way, training is "different" to "allow for cultural changes". Unfortunately, that's just another way of saying training has become easier to allow for less wastage and unfit recruits.

I'm sure you are proud of what you have achieved, and YOU SHOULD BE! However, times have changed, as has training.

Don't take this as a criticism; it's not meant to be. Many of the jobs you will do these days are far harder than they were several years ago, as the kit is more complicated and manpower has been cut to the bone. And of course, it's highly likely that you will spend at least some of your time in Ahfganistan if your in the RN for the long haul.

Just one word of advice, DON'T start telling your Chiefs' that your training was as hard as theirs! You will definitely NOT enjoy the response!!!!:rotfl:

Good luck with your career, Shippers. I hope you'll have as good a time as I've had.:D

Couldn't agree more, I am currently serving in the RN as a Killick Writer, now called Leading Logistician (Personnel), how silly is that!!!!!

Training has certainly got easier, even from when I went through Raleigh 8 years ago. The reason for this being, a guy that committed suicide out of the top floor of Drake blocka few years ago. If you do a search on google you will find out what I am talking about. As sad as it was, it changed the way Basic training is done!

As for the cereal bars, this was due to stupid ppl that joined the RN that were fussy about wat they were given for meals from the good old Traf Galley (sadly no longer in use). My opinion is that if you don't like the food in training, then you will struggle when you get onbaord a pussers grey. Nearly every ship you are on, will have good chefs, and always, always, at least one bad one, and you know if he has the morning watch, or is on omlettes etc you are not in for a good time, but you do what you were taught to do all themn years ago at Raleigh, YOU GET ON WITH IT.

As for having a set of eight's (now 4's) put through the dry cleaners, and your bedding is a disgrace. Raleigh is about transforming a boy into a man, and that man to a matelot.

On my last Ship, HMS Northumberland which I left in July last year I had some of my guys joining with massive suitcases, because they had gone from Raleigh doing basic training, then to the Wtr's school, al Raleigh, with loads of locker and storage space, then to a UPO in Drake or Nelson, where they had single accomodation, en suite, and by the time they joined a Ship had forgotten what the Navy was about, had no discipline, to which I soon made sure there was a change.

No matter what anyone tells you, Raleigh changed from the day that tragic suicide happened.......sad...sad...sad in many ways.

Cathk

Hi, dont listen to all the negitivity, i joined the navy at 16, im leaving next month after 14 years, i joine with 3 GCSE's, im leaving as a chief petty officer, qualified nuclear engineer, with a degree in engineering and a lifetimes worth of experiance. since submitting my cv to several sites such as monster i have been inundated with job offers, ive taken one which pays double the national average wage!!!!!!! the navy is a great career choice, you dont get to travel as much as you did in the past but you dont travel anywhere stuck in an office!!
Im only leaving to spend quality time with my children.
In the current economic climate your children could do a lot worse than consider a career in the navy.

cruisewidow

Not sure if this is the right place - but all the male members of my family are in the Merchant Navy and love it! My son wants to know what is the best way of saving his buckets of cash, bearing in mind that he doesn't have to pay tax as he's out of the country at sea for more than six months of the year, so cash ISA's etc seem irrelevant. Any ideas? (We can't help as we don't have buckets of cash, we have two sons instead)

BigLee_24

Best way for him to save cash when he is away is to not spent it all on runs ashore.... free food and accommodation when onboard so its not gunna be that hard for the money to stack up even when he's in home port.....