Is britain the cellulite capital of the world

venus_in_furs

absolutebounder wrote: »

Ive touched a few too many feminine sides in my time:D
Im up here for the health part not the fashion but since we were invaded. There may be a few poofs on the fashion threads but largely men are not a gullible as women so dont fall for all the fashion marketing. We see it , like it wear it we dont carry out a survey to see what others think first.:rotfl:
Women wouldnt like it if they wore something a few times and it fell to bits so marketing changes the fashion every few months instead so that the vain and gullible will part with more money:rotfl:

Well, i studied fashion design and that, for a lot of places is true. But women already know that most clothes are not made to last, there is not a whole lot to fall for! We know what type of shops to buy our clothes in if we want them to be staples of our wardrobe and last for a few years! If you get something 'high' fashion from Topshop or H&M you know that they will not be wearing it this time next year, so it wont matter anyway. It you buy something more expensive it should have more durability...but even then some things slip through the net.

And i certainly don't carry out surveys before i choose what to wear!! I wear what the hell i like!!!

And as for obesity being bad...of course it is unhealthy and yes, it may look unattractive swanning across the Turkish coast in a two piece.... but there is no need to say all Northerners are fat and ugly!!!! We are not!! Not on the Wirral anyway...it is quite rare to see a really fat person, unless they hide from me when i go out...

GrammarGirl

absolutebounder wrote: »

Ive touched a few too many feminine sides in my time:D
Im up here for the health part not the fashion but since we were invaded. There may be a few poofs on the fashion threads but largely men are not a gullible as women so dont fall for all the fashion marketing. We see it , like it wear it we dont carry out a survey to see what others think first.:rotfl:
Women wouldnt like it if they wore something a few times and it fell to bits so marketing changes the fashion every few months instead so that the vain and gullible will part with more money:rotfl:

You really do say things for effect, don't you? Using an emoticon doesn't make what you're saying any less offensive! :rolleyes:

shellsuit

venus_in_furs wrote: »

Well, i studied fashion design and that, for a lot of places is true. But women already know that most clothes are not made to last, there is not a whole lot to fall for! We know what type of shops to buy our clothes in if we want them to be staples of our wardrobe and last for a few years! If you get something 'high' fashion from Topshop or H&M you know that they will not be wearing it this time next year, so it wont matter anyway. It you buy something more expensive it should have more durability...but even then some things slip through the net.

And i certainly don't carry out surveys before i choose what to wear!! I wear what the hell i like!!!

And as for obesity being bad...of course it is unhealthy and yes, it may look unattractive swanning across the Turkish coast in a two piece.... but there is no need to say all Northerners are fat and ugly!!!! We are not!! Not on the Wirral anyway...it is quite rare to see a really fat person, unless they hide from me when i go out...

So everyone is slim and good looking on the Wirral? :rotfl::rotfl:

Which part do you live in?

venus_in_furs

shellsuit wrote: »

So everyone is slim and good looking on the Wirral? :rotfl::rotfl:

Which part do you live in?

No, its true...everyone is incredibly good looking....and very slim...well... maybe not everyone. :rolleyes: I just meant that there are not too many clinically obese people, as in the size that makes you stare and decide not to eat that wagon wheel after all. (not that i am having a go at them....everyone is entitled to look how they want in my books)

I am from Heswall....West siiiiide (best side To me anyway) How come? Are you from the Wirral too? I actually hate where i am from, there is nothing to do...its like rich OAP retirement central where i live!!! Lived in Liverpool for a few years at uni and loved it there.

lynzpower

Bitsy_Beans wrote: »

Please Bounder don't start that one again :rolleyes::rotfl:

So when I see some hefty folk in Brum city centre does that make me Northen

Lynzpower - I find your post pretty disappointing and judgmental. I worked with a girl who was a size 6. She ate nothing but McDonalds and chips EVERYDAY - so although on your scale she'd be "healthy" (not only was her belly taut it was none existant) I bet her poor ateries would say a differing thing. Yes being overweight IS an issue but lets not forget there are plenty of skinny people out there who eat a terrible diet - Supersize vs Superskinny would be a case in point.

But then again it's easy to demonise those that are overweight as it's easy to spot :rolleyes:

Im sorry you find my post judgmental, I have never said Im perfect and believe me I have not always been a size 10-12 and it takes serious effort to maintain A HEALTHY weight. It means walking whenever possible, not driving, excercising for leisure, going to the gym, refusing food when not hungry etc. My size 16-18 mother knows she only has herself to blame, I have one donut and she will eat 6 in a sitting ( dad a lot worse, they are both self confessed gluttons) Additionally mums ended up with diabetes and dads fighting going to the drs to be told the same thing. Dads ankle took months to heal as he couldnt weight bear properly. The excess weight they carry has knackered thier knees and ankles so going hiking/ skiing etc is no longer an option for them ( excercise they DO like) and now they are desperately trying to excercise using a Wii fit we bought them ( good for them for trying) but they fear its too late.-its fair to say thieyll do an hour of wii fit then go to the chippy ;)Nothing will reverse mothers diabetes, shes only in her 50s Dads ankle took months to heal as he couldnt weight bear properly.

Ask yourself how many people like my parents the taxpayer is supporting and you do have to wonder where it will end???? Excuse me for not wanting to go down the route of being ill to early- ruining my life, restricting what I can and cant do, judt because I cant stop eating WHEN IM NOT HUNGRY and costing YOU the taxpayer more in keeping me going.

I wouldnt stay skinny = healthy either, i know this as my v skinny OH has hereditary cholestrol problems- all the fat he eats gets absorbed into his blood stream and can kill him any moment, his grandpa slim as he was dropped dead at 38, OH can go the same way too. We have to be careful what we eat and drink, have stopped smoking rarely drink alcohol, refuse heavily processed meats etc. Again, this isnt easy, some days he kills for a Mcds or a portion of chips or a greasy sausage sandwich, once in a a while is OK, every day or even more than once a day as many people do, could kill him.

Im not saying its easy, but I dont know why overwieight people seem to suggest that its in some way impossible??? It clearly isnt :rolleyes:

venus_in_furs

Ohhhhhhhh AsoluteBounder....how come you took the picture of the fat ladies down...scared you might offend someone?

Anyway, i agree that people should not be unhealthily overweight. But being nasty to them isn't gonna solve it!!! Just make them feel worse and eat more...great idea!!!!! It is just as much to do with the food industry and the way people just don't seem to want to go out and exercise as they are too busy online/watching tv/playing games etc. Also, some people put on weight easily and some don't. I have many friends whom are very skinny and they eat lard day in and day out. I also have a size 16 friend who is much more careful with her diet and she exercises and is still chunky (she is very tall though). But then again this is VERY different from the morbidly obese people that really should do something about their weights or they will die.

Anyway, i think we should concentrate on the kids. Some children are overweight and it isn't their faults, they are being brought up on chips and sweets and sit all day on their xboxes etc, as they have never had the push to want to be sporty or active. When i was young (not too long ago) i was playing outside with my friends and being active and fast food was, but not of as much interest, as it wasn't so heavily advertised in the 90s.

lynzpower

venus_in_furs wrote: »

Ohhhhhhhh AsoluteBounder....how come you took the picture of the fat ladies down...scared you might offend someone?

Anyway, i agree that people should not be unhealthily overweight. But being nasty to them isn't gonna solve it!!! Just make them feel worse and eat more...great idea!!!!! It is just as much to do with the food industry and the way people just don't seem to want to go out and exercise as they are too busy online/watching tv/playing games etc. Also, some people put on weight easily and some don't. I have many friends whom are very skinny and they eat lard day in and day out. I also have a size 16 friend who is much more careful with her diet and she exercises and is still chunky (she is very tall though). But then again this is VERY different from the morbidly obese people that really should do something about their weights or they will die.

Anyway, i think we should concentrate on the kids. Some children are overweight and it isn't their faults, they are being brought up on chips and sweets and sit all day on their xboxes etc, as they have never had the push to want to be sporty or active. When i was young (not too long ago) i was playing outside with my friends and being active and fast food was, but not of as much interest, as it wasn't so heavily advertised in the 90s.

A lot of the time, as discussed on here before, you cant help the kids if the parents cant cook;/ wont cook/ dont like veg - weve all seen the parents feeding kids junk - the baby in the pram with a wham bar in its mouth or whatever! I think its the adult that need to take responsibility really, as its not like the kids can have choices/ go shopping?

INterested in the bit Ive put in bold, what do you think the answer is ?

venus_in_furs

lynzpower wrote: »

A lot of the time, as discussed on here before, you cant help the kids if the parents cant cook;/ wont cook/ dont like veg - weve all seen the parents feeding kids junk - the baby in the pram with a wham bar in its mouth or whatever! I think its the adult that need to take responsibility really, as its not like the kids can have choices/ go shopping?

INterested in the bit Ive put in bold, what do you think the answer is ?

Why are you so aggressive to what i have said? I'm not having a go at you!! I mostly agree with what you are saying. Just i also believe that these are people we are talking about, with emotions and feelings!! I do believe that the kids are more important...i was meaning that parents (and schools) DO need to be taught to feed their kids properly and make them exercise/play more, sorry, if i did not state that clearly enough. It is just a culmination of lots of issues which is exacerbated by the strong junk food culture in the Western World...especially in Britain and America.

What you have nicely highlighted in bold, is an idea i have come to from what i have seen and read etc. Cruel to be kind mostly doesnt work...so by telling someone they are fat and ugly, it will not simply make them lose the weight you want them to.The overweight people i have known, fully admit to comfort eating to make themselves feel better. They know they are overweight and it looks unattractive and most of them hate it, they just are stuck in a vicious cycle of depression and comfort eating. Of course this is not the case for all, but a lot do tend to use food as an emotional crutch. I do not know the full solution to this problem...maybe getting them interested in exercise more as that is a well known mood booster, maybe aiming classes more at the overweight person so they do not feel intimidated by going? Classes that suit their lack of fitness and aim to improve on this at a pace that will prevent them from giving up too early? I don't know the full solutions, i admit, i don't know what you are expecting me to say really!!!? All i know it that making someone feel horrible and miserable will not help anything.

lynzpower

I didnt think i was being aggressive to what you said, I simply asked your perspective. I agree I dont think having a go at people helps, indeed people having a go at me didnt help much ( not that people really did to be fair) and I was definately very obese. I actually dont tihnk here in the UK people do say anything , more that they think it to themselves, maybe vent off on a bulletin board etc.

I wonder whether we sohuld be seeing obesity as depression then? ie comfort eating? Do you think that if you went to the drs for say another ailment ( eg my dad with his ankle) that trhe NHS should really be offering some sort of emotional support to people to encourage change such as counselling or therapy? I hadnt really thought of that before but maybe thats the answer.

I have seen children abused through food and it does make me really angry tbh, I know im a bit militant about it.

venus_in_furs

No...i am not saying it should be paid for by the NHS...it is a lot different to clinical depression, which i myself have suffered from. Drugs will not solve this issue. I just believe that some overweight people who feel low in themselves need a push in the right direction to get the will power to succeed. Education is the start and now we need to encourage people to let go of using food to make themselves feel better and instead start doing more constructive things to make themselves feel better, like exercise. Maybe the odd self help groups set up would help and these can be the types of places they can support each other to make changes to their lifestyle- like a more health and exercise focused weight watchers!!

Of course, as i said before not all obesity is linked to feeling insecure and down, but i think people get to a certain stage of obesity where it must impact on their lives so badly it seems to be like an addiction...they cant walk far, enjoy their lives fully, they feel unattractive and unwell, they know they are shortening their lives... yet they still insist on eating too much? Why would anyone do that to themselves...its like self abuse? There must be deeper issues.


You have obviously done very well to lose weight and i am impressed with what you have achieved. I can see how you are frustrated as you have managed to change your life and all these other people seem to not bother.

I too am annoyed at the way some people are bringing up their kids. But we need to really hit home to these types of parents that passing their own bad eating habits to their kids may end up killing them...maybe even before themselves. I read a story about a 24 year old woman who was feeding her baby McDonalds, even though the baby had barely progressed onto solids. Here is the article if you haven't seen it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1174210/30-stone-mother-feeds-baby-triplets-junk-food-diet--admits-McDonalds-just-months.html