Child Tax Credit - how much can they take?

space_rider

shell_542 wrote: »

When the eldest has moved out and is fending for themselves, the youngest will suddenly get their share back, no doubt! :rotfl:

I can spend more on my youngest now because eldest has a part time job.

helpmehelpme

LizzieS wrote: »

Tax credits are included in csa assessments under csa2, but there is also a reduction for stepchildren from nrp earnings - now not all nrps actually receive a great deal of tax credits = many natural children of a nrp lose out to non-natural children that the nrp has chosen to support.

I think you maybe right Lizzie, what should happen when a wife (or husband) goes off and has an affair and takes the children, is the then NRP, should find the cheapest hovel they can find with the biggest paying job, never meet anyone else or have any more children for at least 19 years, whilst the pwc goes on to work but also claim certain benefits (which would make a nil assessment), stop the nrp from having contact unless they fight it in court which they can't afford because of paying csa and not being entitled to legal aid because their wages are ok before csa is taken off, then the pwc to have more children and live with another partner. BUT as long as the NATURAL children are ok things will be fine for EVERYONE.

Soubrette

No, Lizzie is not saying it is ok - she is saying that it's not just the one way flow of money that some nrp and partners would like to pretend sometimes.

Sometimes the first children will lose out to step children as well as second families losing out to first families. Child maintenance is also reduced for the first family if an nrp has responsibility for a second family natural and/or stepchildren.

As far as I'm aware she actually disagrees with child tax credit being used as household income.

As for contact - anyone with contact issues should imo join families need fathers, go to the citizen's advice or have a half hour free advice session with a solicitor. Some non compliant PWCs just need a stern message sent that people are serious about maintaining contact. Unfortunately other PWCs will go all the way - in the same way as non complaint NRPs.

Sou

LizzieS_2

Soubrette wrote: »

As far as I'm aware she actually disagrees with child tax credit being used as household income.

I disagree with both tax credits and any further children being taken into account. The reason I say this is because the current csa2 system does have flaws, and judging by the number of people complaining what they pay, a simple system that would only change if income changed makes it clear to everyone exactly where they stand (both parties can then plan ahead much easier).

Under csa2, there are 3 possible outcomes:
1) Minimum wage pay usually creates a slight increase in csa payments
2) Low - middle income usually creates no difference
3) High wage (well high if you're on NMW) reduces csa payments

All above based on an equal number of children, which frequently does not happen anyway. The comparison is to what is paid now as opposed to what would be paid if only nrp salary used & no other children given reductions.

CSA1 I hate as it is too open to abuse by both parties.

takesthemick

Can someone advise please

Just moved in with my partner and she gets CA for her disabled daughter, I dont work got laid off, actively seeking though and therefore have no income,

If I claim on her CTC which at the moment is pointless as have no income will they know what my partner is getting CTC wise?

Also if they want her to pay surely her being on CA will only allow her to pay £5 a week or whatever it is

Any help greatly appreciated, my new partner is shocked that she is having to currently support my children and concerned what effect it will have on her own children, she has 5, and obviously feels she will be better off living without me :-(

takesthemick

And understandably like most does not want her children TC to go on my own when they get there own TC!!

kelloggs36

takesthemick wrote: »

Can someone advise please

Just moved in with my partner and she gets CA for her disabled daughter, I dont work got laid off, actively seeking though and therefore have no income,

If I claim on her CTC which at the moment is pointless as have no income will they know what my partner is getting CTC wise?

Also if they want her to pay surely her being on CA will only allow her to pay £5 a week or whatever it is

Any help greatly appreciated, my new partner is shocked that she is having to currently support my children and concerned what effect it will have on her own children, she has 5, and obviously feels she will be better off living without me :-(

If you move in together then it is no longer her CTC but a joint claim as you are assessed on your joint household income for Tax Credits. Therefore her CTC is deemed as being your income - how much is it per week?

takesthemick

kelloggs36 wrote: »

If you move in together then it is no longer her CTC but a joint claim as you are assessed on your joint household income for Tax Credits. Therefore her CTC is deemed as being your income - how much is it per week?

Even if I am not on the claim?

If that is the case then she gets Carers Allowance which according to the CSA Website they class as a Benefit and therefore the weekly amount is £5

She gets alot as she has disabled children and because of that it is unfair that they should lose the money that they get given to help them with everyday necessities, but if the website is correct then unless I sign on and therefore claim JSA my partner potientally only loses £5 a week

Am I correct in saying that, as they have to take that into consideration too

Also if I do get a job then do I still have to pay the £5 a week as she will be on CA for a long time so they wont stop taking that into account

takesthemick

Also my eldest son lives with me now, the Mother whom I have 2 other children with also gets CA, infact she has gloated to me that she is bringing in over £1700 on benefits and doesnt have to pay rent either, so does this mean that as she is on CA then she also has to pay £5 a week towards our sons upkeep, I would assume it is the same, therefore I am pretty certain that my partner will only have to pay £5 a week seeing as I am not currently working

However could someone let me know what will happen when I am working and my partner gets CA, as I know that when the PWC's bf was on JSA they took that into account regardless of what was coming into the househould ie CTC so it stayed at £5

Thanks

LizzieS_2

takesthemick wrote: »

Even if I am not on the claim?

If you live together, you have to claim as a couple otherwise you are committing fraud.