ITC Legal Services - Avoid Them

John_Pierpoint

Yes you have been frozen out of the process and there is almost nothing you can do about it.
Legally you won't be entitled to anything while your parents are alive. (Assuming we are talking about England and Wales)
You can keep checking with the local probate office if it is convenient to call in. When "admon" is granted you will then know roughly what your brother was worth and who the administrators are. The legal figures can differ from the taxation figures in certain circumstances; that is why the figures appearing in the newspapers under the title "The money they left" often appear to be self evidently rubbish.

kjduct

sorry I must have sounded like I dont get on with my parents, and they are trying to not give me any thing from the estate,
we do get on and speak every day! we have found paper work saying he wanted me to receive 25% and my parents are happy to go with his wishes, its just very difficult to talk to them about the probate process without sounding like im desperate for my brothers money (which I am:()
but also they dont want to chase the process as they are still grieving

I just want to get involved to push ITC as by reading this its apparent they need to be pushed and my parents are not the kind to even ask never mind shout....

Cerredwen

portlandboy wrote: »

I think that you will find that when you sign a contract with "ITC Legal Services", even if they are part of the same group of companies as Independent Trust Corporation, your contract is with ITC Legal Services only. That is simply more proof of just how close to the legal parameters this company works. They are, at present, unregulated because ITC Legal Services do not claim to be solicitors. It is only the way that they portray themselves.

Thanks for your prompt response, Portlandboy; much appreciated. I still don't get it though! ITC Legal is purely a trading name of a limited company (Independent Trust Corporation Ltd), and is definitely not a company in its own right. In UK business law, all financial and legal liabilities lie with Ltd Company regardless of whether they have one or a hundred 'trading as' names. Surely on this basis there are grounds to have this company investigated by the Law Society that promotes their vile practices?

Sorry, I know I'm being a real pain on this one, but something has to be done!

Cerredwen

I don't have access to the contract because I am not an executor, but I'd be interested to know if it is with ITC Legal because ITC Legal Ltd which was a sister company to Independent Trust Corporation Ltd (As opposed to ITC Legal which is just a trading name of the latter) is a non-trading company that has just filed a Notice to Strike Off with Companies House. So just who is the contract with? If it's ITC Legal Ltd, the company no longer exists. If it's Independent Corporation Trust Ltd t/a ITC Legal, then they are registered as a bona fide Solicitor in their own right (Not just an outsourcer to GPB), and they are accountable.

Cerredwen

I say 'bona fide' with my tongue very firmly wedged in my cheek...

portlandboy

Cerredwen wrote: »

Thanks for your prompt response, Portlandboy; much appreciated. I still don't get it though! ITC Legal is purely a trading name of a limited company (Independent Trust Corporation Ltd), and is definitely not a company in its own right. In UK business law, all financial and legal liabilities lie with Ltd Company regardless of whether they have one or a hundred 'trading as' names. Surely on this basis there are grounds to have this company investigated by the Law Society that promotes their vile practices?

Sorry, I know I'm being a real pain on this one, but something has to be done!

I know that the Law Society is aware of the dubious practices of ITC Legal Services and, a while ago in this post, someone did in fact report this company to the Society. They responded by saying that as they were not solicitors ITC Legal Services were not regulated by the Law Society rules.

Regarding "T A" names, my father-in-law owned a fishing business and set up a shop to sell his catch. He was the registered business owner of both the boats and the shop. Each was reliant upon the other to trade and were owned by him under a company carrying his name but, to avoid a total loss if either boats or shop got into financial/legal difficulties he used different "T A" names for each business. This seemingly disconnected either business from any liability to the other. And it appears to be how dodgy plumbers/builders etc. carry on working when a company is dissolved owing money. They simply use one of their other "T A" names and continue regardless. In a larger way, a group like Centrica could let British Gas fail if it were the subject of a massive law suit, whilst letting Centrica Energy continue trading as normal. As a customer of B G you would have no claim against Centrica or any of their other companies if things went wrong.

portlandboy

Just a quick question...

Can anybody clarify whether a Senior Operations Manager of a "certain company" has been arrested and taken from their office in Stratford-Upon-Avon recently, possably in connection with a fraud?

Just wondered, that's all

Cerredwen

portlandboy wrote: »

I know that the Law Society is aware of the dubious practices of ITC Legal Services and, a while ago in this post, someone did in fact report this company to the Society. They responded by saying that as they were not solicitors ITC Legal Services were not regulated by the Law Society rules.

Regarding "T A" names, my father-in-law owned a fishing business and set up a shop to sell his catch. He was the registered business owner of both the boats and the shop. Each was reliant upon the other to trade and were owned by him under a company carrying his name but, to avoid a total loss if either boats or shop got into financial/legal difficulties he used different "T A" names for each business. This seemingly disconnected either business from any liability to the other. And it appears to be how dodgy plumbers/builders etc. carry on working when a company is dissolved owing money. They simply use one of their other "T A" names and continue regardless. In a larger way, a group like Centrica could let British Gas fail if it were the subject of a massive law suit, whilst letting Centrica Energy continue trading as normal. As a customer of B G you would have no claim against Centrica or any of their other companies if things went wrong.

But British Gas is a PLC, a company in its own right, and therefore any liability would lie firmly with them.

ITC Legal Services, is a trading name of, not a real company, and to speak legalese, not a 'real person'. UK Business Law relating to Trading Names is a minefield, but the bottom line is that if using a trading name mean't that a company could evade liability, they'd all be doing it.

To anyone contemplating using ITC Legal Services, or whatever name they are using these days, and perhaps feel that they can put a few negative comments and reviews down to the odd whinger who didn't quite get as much as he or she expected, please run a companies and directors check on these idiots. They have various names, ITC Holdings (UK) Ltd; ITC Finance Ltd; ITC Legal Services Ltd; Independent Trust Corporation Ltd. Two of these companies don't trade at all, and the other two use trading as names. Ask yourself why this is. Ask yourself why they fail to declare to Companies House the nature of their business for two of these companies. Check out the names and trading of the firms ITC used to be prior to becoming ITC. Check out the boards of Directors and see which other pies they have their sticky little fingers in. Ask yourself why this company is not recognised by STEP, the leading association of TRUST and ESTATE Practitioners. Ask yourself if you can trust your finances to a man whose only qualification is a degree in zoology at a mediocre university.

If I'm wrong on any of the above, I not above apologising if anyone is willing to put me right, but this sure does sound like one dodgy outfit to me.

Deep_Throat

That's affirmative.

Alleged fraud against the company,which of course can only mean against it's Clients! Check your estate accounts folks!

This company is so well managed that at or around the turn of this year it dispensed with the services of a number of staff to avert a financial collapse. This means that the company is now even slower and less efficient than before, difficult to believe I accept but true nevertheless.

Happy to help anytime.

portlandboy

Cerredwen wrote: »

To anyone contemplating using ITC Legal Services, or whatever name they are using these days, and perhaps feel that they can put a few negative comments and reviews down to the odd whinger who didn't quite get as much as he or she expected, please run a companies and directors check on these idiots. They have various names, ITC Holdings (UK) Ltd; ITC Finance Ltd; ITC Legal Services Ltd; Independent Trust Corporation Ltd. Two of these companies don't trade at all, and the other two use trading as names. Ask yourself why this is. Ask yourself why they fail to declare to Companies House the nature of their business for two of these companies. Check out the names and trading of the firms ITC used to be prior to becoming ITC. Check out the boards of Directors and see which other pies they have their sticky little fingers in. Ask yourself why this company is not recognised by STEP, the leading association of TRUST and ESTATE Practitioners. Ask yourself if you can trust your finances to a man whose only qualification is a degree in zoology at a mediocre university.

If I'm wrong on any of the above, I not above apologising if anyone is willing to put me right, but this sure does sound like one dodgy outfit to me.

Perfect. Thanks for that post. I have been warned about the unpleasent nature of my previous posts, followinbg a complaint from "someone" to MSE. I glad to see that I'm not the only one who is able to say what they see. (That's not meant to sound as if others have not got the nerve to say it, I realise how difficult it is if you are still dealing with ITC when you really want to blast them on here).
Still, it does seem quite rediculous to make a complaint about "nasty" posts on this thread when you allow the nasty practices to continue under your own roof. Pots and kettles spring to mind. I hope that some of ITC's financial problems are as a result of the many 1,000's of views of this thread. Alas, it may only be to do with "other matters" mentioned above.
And ITC, as Cerredwen rightly states, prove you don't do what you are accused of and the complaints will stop (and I too will apologise for all my accusations). I don't expect to have to do that in the near future though...