Scottish House Prices recovering rapidly....

DaddyBear

Hold the phone. There was a price crash in Aberdeen? Didn't you spend most of youR time on HPC trying to justify your 2007 purchase by denying that any correction took place?

mewbie_2

DaddyBear wrote: »

Hold the phone. There was a price crash in Aberdeen? Didn't you spend most of youR time on HPC trying to justify your 2007 purchase by denying that any correction took place?

It was all over so quick it was between two of Hamish's posts.

Post 1 - prices are going up!!
Then Hamish took a dump, and missed the crash so was unable of course to report it in any way.
Post 2 - prices are recovering!!!

The_McGlashan

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

McGlashan,
Lovely to see you again, you should post here more often.
The copyright in this material does not belong to you either.
The source data belongs to Registers of Scotland. The graphical illustration belongs to Fubra, owners of hpc.co.uk, as by posting it on hpc.co.uk, you agreed to their terms and conditions, one of which is......
All content posted by you will become the property of housepricecrash.co.uk

Furthermore, under the fair use terms of UK copyright law, by only reposting an excerpt from the thread, and by providing a link to the source material and crediting the author, I believe this to be completely legal.
If it isn't, then at least half the threads on hpc and every other web forum will have to be removed.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention though, it has caused me to do a little research into copyright, and indeed I have now inserted a full link to source to correct my earlier partial information regarding source.
However, if after reading all of this you still wish to deny the readers of this website access to such a useful and educational illustration of how strongly Scotlands markets are performing, simply post here again and I will remove the offending article. Not because I have any obligation to do so, but because I rather enjoyed our little debates, and it would be nice to get you posting over here.

Hope you are well.

Hamish

Hamish,

Thanks for your thoughtful response. And thanks for your offer to remove the infringing image - I think you probably should.

As they say, "a little learning is a dangerous thing." Your interpretation of the 'fair use' provisions of copyright law is so liberally broad as to be meaningless. You have 'learned' that using an excerpt of a piece of work can be permissable for reasons of review, education or research. For instance, to criticise my choice of colours, or to demonstrate the practice of graph-plotting.

However, what you have failed to understand is that to use a piece for the self-same purpose for which it was created (vis. the illustration of the Scottish housing market for the purposes of provoking discussion) is an infringement. Moreover acknowledgement of the source does not make the use fair. I deal in copyright for most of my 'passive income' so I know my onions here. Indeed, we don't much use the term 'fair use' in the UK/EU, we usually refer to 'fair dealing'.

So, all thinks considered, I think you should probably remove the image. You're right that fubra is indubitably the proprietor of the copyright in the image and, while I don't know what fubra's attitude is to copyright infringement, I do know, however, that MSE make specific warnings to their users on every single fourm page. I'd hate for you to lose your "Serious Money Saving Fan" status!

Thanks also for your invitation to debate with you on this forum. I've had a look around, and it seems that you've already got your hands quite full - you do seem stressed, so I don't think I will - thanks all the same. My earlier enquiry into your health was an expression of genuine concern. I think you need to take it easy. Did you manage to fit in a vacation this year? Or are they still cracking the whip and making you work, what was it, 60 hour weeks? It really is a bit much, particularly at our age. Still, 'rank imposes circumstances', eh?

Get well soon.

McG

edit.

I've just noticed that the mods have removed the image - saves you the bother.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

The_McGlashan wrote: »

Thanks also for your invitation to debate with you on this forum. I've had a look around, and it seems that you've already got your hands quite full - you do seem stressed, so I don't think I will - thanks all the same. .

McGlashan,

Shame you can't stick around, do pass on my regards to the other Aberdeen bears.

I was sorry to hear about the latest RoS numbers, 2 years into the "crash" and prices only down 4% a year. And to top it all, it seems that some of the better houses are now even selling for higher than 2007 prices. Such a pity that plan didn't work out so well, it seemed so well reasoned and everything.

Thanks for the concern about my health, I was a little worried about you too after your vitriolic outburst at your fellow Aberdonians following news of the earlier house price rises. Not your typical calm and controlled style at all. Still, pressure can get to the best of us I suppose, although I am surprised that someone with such little stress as yourself, what with having no job and a heavily subsidised rent, felt the need to display such bitter and angry emotions. Have you been using the bus too much lately? You know, cycling is so much better for your health, so I do hope you're keeping it up.

Never mind though, I'm sure the seasonality of Aberdeen prices will present you all with one final opportunity to buy at close to the bottom reached earlier this year. Talking of which, M4rk played a blinder with that one, the one and only Aberdeen bear to jump ship and buy at the bottom.

Best of luck.

Hamish.

jackieb

My brother-in-law's house has been up for sale for 9 months. It's near Aberdeen (Aboyne). He bought it in 2007 for £435k. It's a beautiful house with lovely views. Did a lot of work on it, and put it up for sale at the end of last year for offers over £440k (roads were too bad to commute, ended up renting a flat in Aberdeen during the winter). He's just dropped his price by £35k and has had an offer. One previous viewer was all he'd had.

IveSeenTheLight

jackieb wrote: »

My brother-in-law's house has been up for sale for 9 months. It's near Aberdeen (Aboyne). He bought it in 2007 for £435k. It's a beautiful house with lovely views. Did a lot of work on it, and put it up for sale at the end of last year for offers over £440k (roads were too bad to commute, ended up renting a flat in Aberdeen during the winter). He's just dropped his price by £35k and has had an offer. One previous viewer was all he'd had.

Aboyne is not a town where people would choose to live if commuting to work in Aberdeen. As you have intimated, the road network is not the best.

Sure, some do, but the people would really have to want that country way of life and be happy with the commute both ways every day.

Thus, it's a restricted market, compensated by the wonderful fresh air and views. Understandinly though, even the Aberdeen Market cooled with the caution over the uncertainty with the credit crunch.

Your friend has received an offer which seems reasonable given his time of purchasing, what the market has trended inthe last two years and it seems your friend will have to decide to cut and run or if he believes he could recover the financial loss in the next couple of years.

One point I would like to make however is that when buying a home such as your example, it really is worth doing the research and test driving the commute at the intended commuting times.

It's one thing to have a leasurely drive out on a Sunday afternoon through the beutiful sunshine, it's another to do so at 06:30 in the dark on rural unlit wintery roads.

jackieb

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

One point I would like to make however is that when buying a home such as your example, it really is worth doing the research and test driving the commute at the intended commuting times.

It's one thing to have a leasurely drive out on a Sunday afternoon through the beutiful sunshine, it's another to do so at 06:30 in the dark on rural unlit wintery roads.

We were baffled as to why they hadn't thought this out too. He sold his previous home because he thought the proposed bypass would have an effect on it's price. You would have seen the road but it wasn't that near. I doubt you would even have heard the traffic from it.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

jackieb wrote: »

We were baffled as to why they hadn't thought this out too. He sold his previous home because he thought the proposed bypass would have an effect on it's price. You would have seen the road but it wasn't that near. I doubt you would even have heard the traffic from it.

If anything, the bypass will drive nearby prices UP due to faster commutes. I know there are currently speculators looking for houses/land along that route, and the expectation is that it will strengthen prices in the southern and northern commuter towns as it will open up Dyce as a practical commute from the south, and Altens from the north.

I do agree Aboyne is a bit far out, especially in winter, but it is lovely.