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Proof wirral council admit council tax unlawful

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slovanslovan Forumite
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OK – so now the cracks are really beginning to appear.
I am indebted to my good friend and fellow Freeman on the land, for allowing me to use his documentation for this:-
Let me fill you in on the background so you have the case history:-
“Jim” (As we will call him”) is a Freeman on the Land along with us (More on that here www.TPUC.org & www.thinkfree.ca) – and a few months back he decided (Like many of us) that he wasn’t going to pay the UNLAWFUL Council tax that they were trying to enforce upon him via thier unlawful statute legislation. So he stopped paying:-
In due course he started receiving the threatening letters until one day the “summons” appeared on his doormat. (Note: A summons is merely an invitation to attend their place of business to discuss a punishment – its an offer – Read more - just as the Council Tax Bill is an offer to contract with them – read more on this)

The “invitation” was to appear before Wirral Magistrates Court for a hearing concerning the issuing of a liability hearing. Now as we all now ALL magistrates courts are merely a trading styles of the “run for profit” company called “Ministry of Justice” – see below and you can get a copy of the document I have acquired clearly showing:-
  1. The corporate status of the Ministry of Justice
  2. The Directors (Lord Falconer of Thoroton & Others)
  3. The fact that Ministry of Justice has County Court Jugements against it
  4. The trading styles of MOJ (Top right – which includes “Magistrates Courts”
MINISTRY OF JUSTICE IS A BUSINESS
http://www.nocounciltax.com/content/images/MOJ_1.jpg
Now call me blonde but I would say this is pretty damned conclusive that we are dealing with a corporate court convened by a corporation to simply lift money from you and I.
So … “Jim” jotted the council a little letter which is shown below:-
FIRST LETTER TO WIRRAL COUNCIL
http://www.nocounciltax.com/content/images/RGWCC_1.jpg

Jim sent this letter about THREE WEEKS before the date that the hearing was due to be heard on.
So … the DAY BEFORE the hearing, Jim received a phone call from the Wirral Council LEGAL DEPARTMENT and what they said was staggering …

THEY WERE GOING TO WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION FOR A LIABILITY ORDER!
  1. Now this is incredible that on the back of one letter they decide to withdraw and more importantly confirms the following:-
  2. Council tax is UNLAWFUL, as you and I well know that if these leeches had once ounce of a lawful case for taking this money then they would fight it to the death
They KNOW Council Tax is unlawful and are simply robbing those who haven’t woken up to the facts yet to the tune of £140,000,000,000 per annum (thats 140 BILLION of our money!)
So, Jim being the experienced fellow he is – asked them to email him with confirmation that they were going to withdraw and printed below is their email.
WIRRAL COUNCIL CONFIRMATION OF WITHDRAWAL BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO LAWFUL CASE
http://www.nocounciltax.com/content/images/RGWCC_2.jpg

Jim then asked for further clarification in a formal letter and here is the letter that they sent!
LETTER FROM WIRRAL COUNCIL CONFIRMING THEIR WITHDRAWAL FORM COUNCIL TAX LIABILITY HEARING
http://www.nocounciltax.com/content/images/RGWCC_3.jpg

Then Jim asked them to confirm in writing that because there was now NO LIABILY that the council tax was no longer due
This is the letter they and this is probably (in my opinion) one of THE single most important documents in the fight against Council Tax as it PROVES beyond ANY DOUBT that we DO NOT HAVE TO PAY this UNLAWFUL COUNCIL TAX.
Look at the bit in red!

LETTER FROM WIRRAL COUNCIL CONFIRMING THAT COUNCIL TAX DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PAID
http://www.nocounciltax.com/content/images/RGWCC_4.jpg

So not believing a word of the Council or the courts Jim rocked up to the court on the morning of the Liability hearing and standing as a Freeman on the Land asked the Judge to confirm the withdrawal of the other side which the Judge duly confirmed. The judge then told Jim that he needn’t have turned up and then Jim hit with it.
“I know that sir, but there is the small matter of mys costs”
BAM! – They were not expecting that one!
So, Jim has now duly entered a claim for costs of £1,400 against Wirral Council which is still ongoing at this time as the courts are trying to play silly !!!!!!s with Jim – he has even had one judge step down and refuse to adjudicate in favour of his costs – as you can see – its a stitch up!
Anyway – Jim has some other things planned and I will keep you abreast of developments but there you have it.

A UK Council running away from a court hearing because they KNOW they dont have a LAWFUL leg to stand on and the whole Council Tax is a scam to relieve you and I of money and use it to
  • A) Line the pension funds of civil servants
  • B) Keep us opressed
  • C) Pay of the interest on loans to the bank and the IMF
If you think that Council Tax pays for your bins or the Police – then you are very misguided I am afraid.

GAME ON!
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  • just follow the second letter and make your own template

    remember you're ONLY ASKING THEM

    you are doing nothing unlawful
  • Having read those scans, I can't see this as working for the majority of people here. Granted I've only read the thread once, but i t seems to refer to a very specific set of circumstances, and does not absolve him of future liability (i.e. next year's council tax).
    Starting Debt: ~£20,000 01/01/2009. DFD: 20/11/2009 :j
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  • edited 3 September 2009 at 2:54PM
    slovanslovan Forumite
    39 posts
    edited 3 September 2009 at 2:54PM
    Having read those scans, I can't see this as working for the majority of people here. Granted I've only read the thread once, but i t seems to refer to a very specific set of circumstances, and does not absolve him of future liability (i.e. next year's council tax).


    Lee did you read the scanned letters? did you read Wirral councils reply and the letter sent to them asking to prove contract?

    and the part marked in red

    LETTER FROM WIRRAL COUNCIL CONFIRMING THAT COUNCIL TAX DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PAID
    http://www.nocounciltax.com/content/images/RGWCC_4.jpg

    this letter follows their threat of court for unpaid bill!

    if you understand the law behind this you will know it applies to everyone

    also I notice you have £9200 'owed' on a Barclayplus loan
    have you read Mary Crofts free ebook on writing off debt to banks? http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1R2GGLL_en-GB&q=mary+croft&meta=
  • andrew-bandrew-b Forumite
    2.4K posts
    Part of the Furniture
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    ...however you look at it "jim" has evaded paying tax. Council tax evaders should be made to collect the bins IMO and clean the maggots out after! Then the rest of us needn't pay as much council tax for the bin men or pay more next year because "jim" didn't pay his council tax last year.

    If you don't like the laws of the country emigrate :)

    No idea what any of this has to do with this section of the forum though?
  • Yes I did read them. The letters confirmed that for the tax year 2009/2010 there is nothing to pay. It made no mention of future liability.
    Starting Debt: ~£20,000 01/01/2009. DFD: 20/11/2009 :j
    Do something amazing. GIVE BLOOD.
  • To me this seems to hinge on a Dun and Bradstreet search result showing a council under the heading "company" being proof that the council is a profit making organisation. I suspect any success on this path is purely down to the fact that it will cost more to deal with than it will recover.

    Dun and Bradstreet is a credit rating agency and it includes councils because organisations trading with the council (e.g. selling materials to them) tend to carry out credit checks. If the premise of this is right then charities which come up under similar searches on D & B are also profit making organisations. Try doing a D & B search for a well known charity!

    What is really happening here is that in a one off case for £500 it is not worth spending £2000 on legal fees to pursue it. Withdrawal of a case to collect council tax does not create a legal precedent that others can follow as MSE users should know only too well from the bank charges cases. If a decent amount of momentum starts to follow this the LGA will get together to fund a case against someone to create a precedent and stop this nonsense.
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  • edited 3 September 2009 at 3:37PM
    slovanslovan Forumite
    39 posts
    edited 3 September 2009 at 3:37PM
    WestonDave wrote: »
    To me this seems to hinge on a Dun and Bradstreet search result showing a council under the heading "company" being proof that the council is a profit making organisation. I suspect any success on this path is purely down to the fact that it will cost more to deal with than it will recover.

    Dun and Bradstreet is a credit rating agency and it includes councils because organisations trading with the council (e.g. selling materials to them) tend to carry out credit checks. If the premise of this is right then charities which come up under similar searches on D & B are also profit making organisations. Try doing a D & B search for a well known charity!

    What is really happening here is that in a one off case for £500 it is not worth spending £2000 on legal fees to pursue it. Withdrawal of a case to collect council tax does not create a legal precedent that others can follow as MSE users should know only too well from the bank charges cases. If a decent amount of momentum starts to follow this the LGA will get together to fund a case against someone to create a precedent and stop this nonsense.

    HI Dave not true I'm afraid

    the council along with others is trading as private corporation with shareholders - run for profit in other words, through revenue collection

    as the Ministry of Justice is too, ias evidenced by the report in the first link - it even shows a CCJ was issued against it as a business on 16/12/2008! ......

    http://www.nocounciltax.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/MOJ_1-724x1023.jpg

    here's one showing Lancashuire Council doing the same and operasting as a privarte corporation - meaning you need to contract with it to pay council tax - no contract = no bill

    Investigation into Lancashire County Council, the Blues and Twos Credit Union Ltd and Lancashire Police.
    http://www.tpuc.org/node/588

    Lancashire County Council is registered. The full number is IP00666c (FSA no. 666C)
    All of the Assets and Liabilities of LCC were transferred on November 12th 2007 to another company called the The Blues and Twos Credit Union Ltd.

    The registered address of this company is Lancashire Police Headquarters, PO Box 77, Hutton, Preston. They now own all of LCCs assets and liabilities
  • Err - the fact that there is an industrial and provident society called Lancashire County Council Credit Union Limited does not make that corporate body Lancashire County Council! The assets of LCCCU Ltd may well have been transferred but that has nothing to do with the local authority other than they may well have set up a "trading" company to run the credit union. Doesn't prove anything other than those who are behind this are adding 1+1 and getting 50,000!
    Adventure before Dementia!
  • ginvztginvzt Forumite
    4.9K posts
    so, lets have council to stop all services to 'jim' - no rubbish collection, no police coverage, nothing. Will see how long 'jim' will enjoy his saved £500, when he will have pay himself for the removal or not of all his rubbish.
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  • Having read those scans, I can't see this as working for the majority of people here. Granted I've only read the thread once, but i t seems to refer to a very specific set of circumstances, and does not absolve him of future liability (i.e. next year's council tax).
    Council tax in it's current format is being enforced illegally, this year, next year and every subsequent year and therefore NOT payable.
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    - Mahatma Ghandi -
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